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brucebell74(at)sbcglobal.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

RV-4 Drivers

Anyone of you used a parachute doing the stall series in your bird? If so 

what brand/type did you use? Also what type canopy holder did you have?

Happy Holidays to All!

Bruce Bell

Lubbock, Texas

RV-4 15+ hours

n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

I have a mini-softie parachute in my RV-4.  I would not recommend it

because it pushes me too far forward, even with the seat back cushion

removed.  I think it would work better on the -8 or -7, but not ideal

for the -4.



It is manageable, but not recommended.  I'd look at the seat bottom type

chutes (like the seatback softie) if creature comfort in the cockpit is

important.  The quality of the chute seems to be real good, but of

course I have not pulled the little handle on it yet to test it 100%

(and that is a good thing!!)

Do not archive.



 



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Lukasczyk(at)gmx.net
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

Hi Bruce



There are only a few parachutes that fit into the RV-4. 

The problem is (as always) the limited cockpit-space. 

Most of the parachutes available will push you too far forward and the ones with the seat-cushions are usually to big to fit between the seat and the spar. There is a chute that has been especially designed for the RV-4, though.



here is the link



http://www.strongparachutes.com/Pages/paracushion_304.htm



I got it an I do highly recommend it



Happy landings



http://www.rv-4.de/



Thomas, RV-4 



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aerobubba(at)earthlink.ne
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:35 am Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

Hi Bruce-



 	  Quote: 	
		  If so what brand/type did you use? Also what type canopy holder did you

have?
	




I don't have a -4, but I do still have connections to the skydiving world,

including a friend who had to bail at close to 200'.  He's fine, even

though the canopy didn't have a chance to open much.  He was using a softie

from Para-Phernalia based upon the recommendation of another friend who was

a long time jumper and still is a rigger.  Guess what kind of rigs we have

now?  Especially since they do custom work, and I'm 6' 5".  Also, aside

from being a very satisfied customer, I have no interest in their business.



Check them out, give them a call.  Ask for Dan Tarasievich, and tell him I

sent you.  (We chat at OSH each year...)



http://www.softieparachutes.com



Para-Phernalia, Inc.

Toll Free: 800-877-9584

International: 360-435-7220

Fax: 360-435-7272

e-mail: info(at)softieparachutes.com



Mailing Address

P.O. Box 3468

Arlington, WA 98223-3468



Street Address

19018 59th Dr. NE, Unit # 2

Arlington, WA 98223



glen matejcek

aerobubba(at)earthlink.net

n616tb(at)btsapps.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:59 am Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

It is really hard for me to imagine getting out of my plane while it is not

just sitting on the ground.  Then add the possible motion that causes you to

need to get out.  Has anybody done this in an RV series of anything?



Tim



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panamared5(at)brier.net
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

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		  It is really hard for me to imagine getting out of my plane while it is not

just sitting on the ground.  Then add the possible motion that causes you to

need to get out.  Has anybody done this in an RV series of anything?


	


I fly an RV6 with a slider, and I have tried to open the canopy in flight 

and was unable to do so.  I mentioned this to another pilot, that if I had 

to bail out I wasn't sure I could get out.



His response was pretty simple:  "It all depends on how motivated you are!"



As I recall a pilot flying home from the EAA Arlington Flyin had a cockpit 

fire and he jumped out, but without a parachute.  I may have my facts 

wrong, some one on the list who knows for sure should be able to confirm or 

correct me.



Bob

wjoke(at)shaw.ca
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

I wore a Security 150 parachute during the early testing stages of my 

RV-3 - as much for simple seating comfort as anything because I didn't 

have the seat cushion arrangements fully completed. The -3 has a similar 

cockpit to the -4 in terms of size, space, control stick positioning, etc.



The Security 150 is no longer available (as far as I know) so some 

similar alternative will have to be found. Check at  your local glider 

flying airfields and you may be able to simply borrow something suitable 

for a few flights as the chutes used in modern sailplanes tend to be 

contour shaped thin packs. Have a look at 

<http://wingsandwheels.com/page39.htm> for instance.



(My own Security 150 is more usually used when I am flying my ASW-20 

sailplane - another quite elegant flying creation.)



Jim Oke

Wpg MB

RV-3 C-FIZM

ASW-20 C-GPON





Bruce Bell wrote:

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 RV-4 Drivers

 Anyone of you used a parachute doing the stall series in your bird? If 

 so what brand/type did you use? Also what type canopy holder did you 

 have?

 Happy Holidays to All!

 Bruce Bell

 Lubbock, Texas

 RV-4 15+ hours

LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

Hi All,

  

 How disappointing to hear about the limited cockpit space in the  RV-4.  I was looking forward to the extra room when I get my RV-4 is  finished.  

  

 Jim Ayers

 RV-3 with long softy parachute

 RV-4 structural completed - 90% to go

  

 In a message dated 12/13/2006 11:58:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,  Lukasczyk(at)gmx.net writes:

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		  -->    RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk"    <Lukasczyk(at)gmx.net>



Hi Bruce



There are only a few    parachutes that fit into the RV-4. 

The problem is (as always) the limited    cockpit-space. 

Most of the parachutes available will push you too far    forward and the ones with the seat-cushions are usually to big to fit between    the seat and the spar. There is a chute that has been especially designed for    the RV-4, though.



here is the    link



http://www.strongparachutes.com/Pages/paracushion_304.htm



I    got it an I do highly recommend it



Happy    landings



http://www.rv-4.de/



Thomas, RV-4  

	


 

  

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LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:04 am Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

I believe you are addressing an RV-4 incident.

 I understand that the RV-4 side hinged canopy wants to open by  itself.  And it is designed to separate from the airframe when  opened.

  

 Jim Ayers

  

 In a message dated 12/14/2006 6:25:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,  panamared5(at)brier.net writes:

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		  -->    RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared5(at)brier.net>

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		  It    is really hard for me to imagine getting out of my plane while it is    not

just sitting on the ground.  Then add the possible motion that    causes you to

need to get out.  Has anybody done this in an RV    series of anything?


	


I fly an RV6 with a slider, and I have tried to    open the canopy in flight 

and was unable to do so.  I mentioned this    to another pilot, that if I had 

to bail out I wasn't sure I could get    out.



His response was pretty simple:  "It all depends on how    motivated you are!"



As I recall a pilot flying home from the EAA    Arlington Flyin had a cockpit 

fire and he jumped out, but without a    parachute.  I may have my facts 

wrong, some one on the list who knows    for sure should be able to confirm or 

correct me.



Bob  

	


 

  

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n616tb(at)btsapps.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

Jim,  

   

Don’t take this out of context.  I was only referring to exiting when the plane is in motion.  I get in and out of my -6 just fine, and feel totally comfortable in there.  If I need to turn around to set my oxygen or anything while flying the plane is all over the place.  I was trying to imagine trying to exit the plane with it flying out of control and the wind coming in (no canopy).  This would have to be a crazy moment.  Of course it already was if I am trying to get out while airborne.  

   

Tim  

           

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LessDragProd(at)aol.com

 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:57 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RE: Chutes in the RV-4  

  

       

Hi All,  

    

   

    

How disappointing to hear about the limited cockpit space in the RV-4.  I was looking forward to the extra room when I get my RV-4 is finished.    

    

   

    

Jim Ayers  

    

RV-3 with long softy parachute  

    

RV-4 structural completed - 90% to go  

    

   

    

In a message dated 12/13/2006 11:58:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, Lukasczyk(at)gmx.net writes:  

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--> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk" <Lukasczyk(at)gmx.net>

 

 Hi Bruce

 

 There are only a few parachutes that fit into the RV-4. 

 The problem is (as always) the limited cockpit-space. 

 Most of the parachutes available will push you too far forward and the ones with the seat-cushions are usually to big to fit between the seat and the spar. There is a chute that has been especially designed for the RV-4, though.

 

 here is the link

 

 http://www.strongparachutes.com/Pages/paracushion_304.htm

 

 I got it an I do highly recommend it

 

 Happy landings

 

 http://www.rv-4.de/

 

 Thomas, RV-4   	
  

    

   

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skylor4(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

This was actually an RV-8.  Von Alexander.



Here's the NTSB link: 

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 001212X19358&key=1



Skylor



Do Not Archive

--- LessDragProd(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		    

 I believe you are addressing an RV-4 incident.

 I understand that the RV-4 side hinged canopy wants

 to open by  itself.  And 

 it is designed to separate from the airframe when 

 opened.

  

 Jim Ayers

  

 In a message dated 12/14/2006 6:25:45 AM Pacific

 Standard Time,  

 panamared5(at)brier.net writes:

 

 

 <panamared5(at)brier.net>

 

 

 >It  is really hard for me to imagine getting out of

 my plane while it is  not

 >just sitting on the ground.  Then add the possible

 motion that  causes you to

 >need to get out.  Has anybody done this in an RV 

 series of anything?

 

 I fly an RV6 with a slider, and I have tried to 

 open the canopy in flight 

 and was unable to do so.  I mentioned this  to

 another pilot, that if I had 

 to bail out I wasn't sure I could get  out.

 

 His response was pretty simple:  "It all depends on

 how  motivated you are!"

 

 As I recall a pilot flying home from the EAA 

 Arlington Flyin had a cockpit 

 fire and he jumped out, but without a  parachute.  I

 may have my facts 

 wrong, some one on the list who knows  for sure

 should be able to confirm or 

 correct me.

 

 Bob  

 

 

 

 

 


	


 

Cheap talk?

Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

No, he had it right. It was an RV-8 that had just won a craftsmanship award at Arlington. He did make it out of the airplane. It’s not completely clear, but I think he had installed quick-release pins at the front canopy track rollers. He had asked about and discussed getting out of his RV-8 in flight on this list while bulding. That the week we lost two RV list members at or going home from Arlington. The other was the take-off accident and fire that killed a new RV-6A owner.  

Terry  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LessDragProd(at)aol.com

 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:03 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RE: Chutes in the RV-4  

I believe you are addressing an RV-4 incident.  

I understand that the RV-4 side hinged canopy wants to open by itself.  And it is designed to separate from the airframe when opened.  

Jim Ayers  

In a message dated 12/14/2006 6:25:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, panamared5(at)brier.net writes:  

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--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared5(at)brier.net>

 >It is really hard for me to imagine getting out of my plane while it is not

 >just sitting on the ground.  Then add the possible motion that causes you to

 >need to get out.  Has anybody done this in an RV series of anything?

 I fly an RV6 with a slider, and I have tried to open the canopy in flight 

 and was unable to do so.  I mentioned this to another pilot, that if I had 

 to bail out I wasn't sure I could get out.

 His response was pretty simple:  "It all depends on how motivated you are!"

 As I recall a pilot flying home from the EAA Arlington Flyin had a cockpit 

 fire and he jumped out, but without a parachute.  I may have my facts 

 wrong, some one on the list who knows for sure should be able to confirm or 

 correct me.

 Bob   	

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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:50 am Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

At 11:05 AM 12/14/2006, you wrote:

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		  No, he had it right. It was an RV-8 that had just won a craftsmanship award at Arlington. He did make it out of the airplane. It’s not completely clear, but I think he had installed quick-release pins at the front canopy track rollers. He had asked about and discussed getting out of his RV-8 in flight on this list while bulding. That the week we lost two RV list members at or going home from Arlington. The other was the take-off accident and fire that killed a new RV-6A owner.

  

 Terry

  	


 Was the 6A accident a first flight or a new owner who had no time

 in a 6A?  There is no excuse for not getting time in an RV before you

 fly your own.



 Ron Lee



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aerokinetic(at)sbcglobal.
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

>>>>>>http://www.rv-4.de/

      

      Thomas, RV-4

   

  Great Site Thomas! Really enjoyed looking through it. Videos are great!

   

  Scott

  RV-4 N4ZW

  do not archive

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Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

No, it wasn’t his first flight. Don Corbit (I hope I spelled his name right) had bought the plane maybe a week or two earlier and had flown it all over the state in that time. He was scheduled for transition training the weekend after Arlington. I recall that he was hurrying to get off the airport before the runway closed for the air show. There was some speculation that he hadn’t made sure the stick was free during a rushed preflight, since he entered a very steep climb right after takeoff. Others on the list, most likely Jerry Springer, might have more first-hand knowledge of the circumstances.  

   

Don was a very bright and capable guy. At 38, he was a retired Microsoft millionaire and had four little kids. I met him and rode with him a few weeks earlier when he rented a Cessna 182 and made his first instrument flight after getting his ticket, flying from Seattle’s Boeing Field to the fly-in at Scappoose,  Oregon, where he got his first RV ride. My photo of Don with his huge RV grin was likely one of the last taken of him.   

   

The whole sad story is in the RV list archives. We lost more than most realize when we lost Don. He spent most of his time at Scappoose talking to RV pilots about what they would want in electronic instrumentation in their airplanes. Don was a software guy and I think his wife was (is) an electrical engineer. They had ideas and the money and brainpower – and the ambition to make them work.  

   

Terry  

   

         

  

  

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 Was the 6A accident a first flight or a new owner who had no time

 in a 6A?  There is no excuse for not getting time in an RV before you

 fly your own.

 

 Ron Lee  [quote]  [b]

John.Morrissey(at)csiro.a
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: Chutes in the RV-4

Hi Guys,



With the exchange rate the way it is maybe you might like to look at an

Australian product, I spent many hours siting on one of these in L13

Blaniks so I know their comfortable.



http://www.parachutesaustralia.com/s2/prod_emer_thnbk.php



Cheers



John Morrissey

RV-4 

 

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