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sarg314(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: registration results

Last month I posted a question about how long it takes to get FAA 

registration.  I'd heard stories about it taking 3 to 6 months.  I 

mailed in my registration forms on Nov. 28 and just got the registration 

back.  Twenty five days.   Way faster than I expected.



Now I guess it's only a matter of time before the state tax people hunt 

me down.  Anarchy, as a system of government, has its attractions.

--

Tom Sargent, RV-6A

lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: registration results

Congrats...!



I heard there was an effort to get things moving

faster in Oklahoma. Good News!



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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: registration results

As an ahem, er, "hypothetical exercise" only, are there any tips to pass 

along as to how to minimize the State Sales Tax?  Anonymous replies only 

will be greatly appreciated as I'm just a few months away from facing this 

dilemma.



Anonymous

RV7A



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: registration results

Register it as a "Garry Special" or something other than an RV7A. 

 Supply the tax guys with invoices and receipts totalling whatever you 

feel is a reasonable compromise on the tax.  Better to be proactive 

..... and not wait for them to send you the bill as it may include 

interest and penalties ...... depending on how bad the state needs the 

income!

Linn

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Garry wrote:



[quote] 



 As an ahem, er, "hypothetical exercise" only, are there any tips to 

 pass along as to how to minimize the State Sales Tax?  Anonymous 

 replies only will be greatly appreciated as I'm just a few months away 

 from facing this dilemma.



 Anonymous

 RV7A



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Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: registration results

Just remember -  It isn't an airplane until it has been inspected and  approved for flight !!   Until then it is a collection of metal  pieces.    

 I went through that in Calif.  and Arkansas -  sent them a letter  so stating both times and it worked.  I did notify them when it was ready  to fly.

  

 Bob Olds    RV-4   - twice

 Charleston,Arkansas

  [quote][b]

sarg314(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: registration results

Garry:

    I think they are unpredictable.  I know a velocity builder here in 

arizona who showed them a receipt for just the kit and they were 

satisfied with just the tax on that.  It was probably about 1/3 of what 

he spent on the plane.



    Another builder said he pointed out that most of the purchases were 

made more than 5 years ago and they let him off the hook entirely.  Some 

statute of limitiations, he claimed.  I figure I'll have to play it by ear.



Garry wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 As an ahem, er, "hypothetical exercise" only, are there any tips to 

 pass along as to how to minimize the State Sales Tax?  Anonymous 

 replies only will be greatly appreciated as I'm just a few months away 

 from facing this dilemma.



 Anonymous

 RV7A

jmsears(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:36 am Post subject: registration results

 	  Quote: 	
		  > Now I guess it's only a matter of time before the state tax people hunt 

> me down.  Anarchy, as a system of government, has its attractions.<<


	


Keep in mind that it may be from these taxes that our states help fund our 

aviation infrastructure.  When I bought kits for my RV-6A, I paid the sales 

tax on them so that the state would not hunt me down later.   When my 

airplane was finished, I filed for state for property taxes.  Today, I 

proudly pay the property tax on my $25K RV every year.  This year, it was 

$71.13.  Since it's the cheapest property tax I pay, I'm not complaining too 

much.  It used to be a lot more for other airplanes I've owned until the 

state greatly reduced the tax rate on aircraft.  For me, it's cheaper to pay 

the tax than to incorporate in Delaware to avoid it.  Besides, I rest easy 

knowing our state is spending my money wisely.  



Jim Sears in KY

RV-6A N198JS

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bo124rs(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:09 am Post subject: registration results

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  Just remember -  It isn't an airplane until it has been inspected and

approved for flight !!


	


Bob, I wish that were so in Kentucky but it is not.  There is not 

notification when you reserve an N number.  However, upon registration, 

notification is sent to the resident state.  In Kentucky it is then either a 

tangible or intangible taxable piece of property for property tax purposes.  

The sales tax issue applies whether you register, don't register if you 

bought the parts out of state, from an entity other than another person not 

doing business as, and didn't pay appropriate sales tax.  They get you from 

several directions.  I won't say again what my profession is other than I'm 

getting ready to get real busy and will be so up until just before Sun & 

Fun:-)



With that said, I am waiting until after Jan. 1 to send in my registration.  

In Kentucky you have the ability to pay the "use" (sales tax) on your 

individual income tax return for the year in which bought the parts.  I'll 

pay some sales tax then.  The idea of property tax applies to what you had 

in your possession on Jan. 1, the previous year.  So, by waiting post Jan. 1 

2007, my property tax will not be assessed until Jan. 1 2008 and not due 

until the fall of 2009.  I'd rather play with my money than have "them" play 

with it.   Enough of tax ideas, leave that up to the CPA's.........oh, wait 

I am a........



Property tax.  I am registering my airplane as a DO-2 (Dana Overall, second 

airplane).  I am not desiring to get around paying property tax, however, if 

I register it as an RV, there is a huge data bank for the state to 

arbitrarily apply a value to my airplane.  It could be more, less than what 

I think it is worth.  By not giving them something to cross reference, I get 

to tell them for a change.  No, they don't send someone out to look at it, 

even if they did, what are the chances they would have any idea what an RV 

airplane or a DO airplane was?  Yes, you can get RV insurance on and 

airplane simply registered as a Double Throw Me Down-1, WOO HOO 7, Man This 

Thing Cost A Fortune 10 (oh wait, that one maybe not a good one for tax 

purposes).



Taxes on Christmas Eve...............Bah Humbug!!



BTW, MERRY CHRISTMAS



Dana Overall

Richmond, KY i39

RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"

O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4

http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg

http://rvflying.tripod.com

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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:41 am Post subject: registration results

I suppose one could register it as a unique model rather than an RV.

Then when you are contacted by the state you could say that you built it

from planes and that you ordered the raw materials from Aircraft Spruce

and show several thousand in receipts and pay tax on those. But if you

registered it as an RV model, then all bets are off as they know the

value.

Just thinking out loud of course! 



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Ollie Washburn

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 56
Location: Central Florida

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: registration results

You are one of the lucky ones, I sent mine in for Rans S7S Oct 13th and 

still don't have it.



Ollie  6A   Central FL.

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Central FL

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: registration results

Hi Jim!

Jim Sears wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

>> Now I guess it's only a matter of time before the state tax people 

>> hunt me down.  Anarchy, as a system of government, has its 

>> attractions.<< 

>

 Keep in mind that it may be from these taxes that our states help fund 

 our aviation infrastructure.

Well, in a round about way.  All sales taxes (for most states) go into 

the 'general fund' ....... but the state DOT may get it's funding from 

the general fund.  The other funding sourse for airports is, of course, 

the FAA and the Aviation Trust Fund ..... which is supported by ticket 

taxes and avfuel taxes.

 	  Quote: 	
		     When I bought kits for my RV-6A, I paid the sales tax on them so 

 that the state would not hunt me down later.   When my airplane was 

 finished, I filed for state for property taxes.  Today, I proudly pay 

 the property tax on my $25K RV every year.  This year, it was $71.13.

FL used to have a use tax for airplanes ..... you bought a sticker each 

year ....... but if your airplane was stored in a hangar it was hard for 

the tax man to see ..... and send you a letter.  They finally dropped 

that tax!

 	  Quote: 	
		     Since it's the cheapest property tax I pay, I'm not complaining too 

 much.  It used to be a lot more for other airplanes I've owned until 

 the state greatly reduced the tax rate on aircraft.

Well, they're headed in the right direction, I guess.

 	  Quote: 	
		     For me, it's cheaper to pay the tax than to incorporate in Delaware 

 to avoid it.  Besides, I rest easy knowing our state is spending my 

 money wisely.  

Sorry Jim, but I have trouble understanding that concept!!!    I 

didn't know the Government ever did that!

Linn

 	  Quote: 	

 Jim Sears in KY

 RV-6A N198JS

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pilots2(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: registration results

Your problem is not really with the state taxation folks but potentially with your insurance company. And trying to hide your RV from the state as a one-of just because you registered it as a Speed-Burner 1 could be construed as fraud.  As for the  insurance company they will want to know what it is insuring. So you tell them it is registered as a Speed-Burner 1 and they say WOH - we have no history with that model and it doesnt show up on any listing we have of production or homebuilt aircraft, so we decline to insure it. But being the slick guy you are you tell the insurance company it is and RV-(x) and  they say  - Heres Your Policy  have-a-nice-day.  NOW comes the potentially fun part.  Due to no fault of your own (being an excellent pilot) your airplane departs the paved parts of a controlled airport and the tower closes that part of the airport for a period of time and fills out an incident report on an RV-(x). You call the insurance  company to file a claim, they pull your file AND check the FAA data base. OH OH we have a discrepancy here - now the fun begins.  Ya sure you want to open that box of snakes vs paying a few dollars to the state?



Anon



Dana Overall <bo124rs(at)hotmail.com> wrote:[quote] --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" 



 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  Just remember -  It isn't an airplane until it has been inspected and

approved for flight !!


	


Bob, I wish that were so in Kentucky but it is not.  There is not 

notification when you reserve an N number.  However, upon registration, 

notification is sent to the resident state.  In Kentucky it is then either a 

tangible or intangible taxable piece of property for property tax purposes.  

The sales tax issue applies whether you  register, don't register if you 

bought the parts out of state, from an entity other than another person not 

doing business as, and didn't pay appropriate sales tax.  They get you from 

several directions.  I won't say again what my profession is other than I'm 

getting ready to get real busy and will be so up until just before Sun & 

Fun:-)



With that said, I am waiting until after Jan. 1 to send in my registration.  

In Kentucky you have the ability to pay the "use" (sales tax) on your 

individual income tax return for the year in which bought the parts.  I'll 

pay some sales tax then.  The idea of property tax applies to what you had 

in your possession on Jan. 1, the previous year.  So, by waiting post Jan. 1 

2007, my property tax will not be assessed until Jan. 1 2008 and not due 

until the fall of 2009.  I'd rather play with my money than have "them" play 

with it.   Enough of tax ideas, leave that up to the  CPA's.........oh, wait 

I am a........



Property tax.  I am registering my airplane as a DO-2 (Dana Overall, second 

airplane).  I am not desiring to get around paying property tax, however, if 

I register it as an RV, there is a huge data bank for the state to 

arbitrarily apply a value to my airplane.  It could be more, less than what 

I think it is worth.  By not giving them something to cross reference, I get 

to tell them for a change.  No, they don't send someone out to look at it, 

even if they did, what are the chances they would have any idea what an RV 

airplane or a DO airplane was?  Yes, you can get RV insurance on and 

airplane simply registered as a Double Throw Me Down-1, WOO HOO 7, Man This 

Thing Cost A Fortune 10 (oh wait, that one maybe not a good one for tax 

purposes).



Taxes on Christmas Eve...............Bah Humbug!!



BTW, MERRY CHRISTMAS



Dana Overall

Richmond, KY i39

RV-7 slider, Imron [quote][b]

bo124rs(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: registration results

You are reading WAY too much into this.  Sounds like a what if, what if, I 

heard, saw one time....er, I mean I heard someone saw one time scenerio.  It 

sounds like you need to register yours as Van's RV 70957, or whatever your 

builder number is.

Dana Overall

Richmond, KY i39

RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"

O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4

http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg

http://rvflying.tripod.com

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 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Reuven Silberman <pilots2(at)yahoo.com>

Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Re: registration results

Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:19:55 -0800 (PST)

Your problem is not really with the state taxation folks but potentially 

with your insurance company. And trying to hide your RV from the state as a 

one-of just because you registered it as a Speed-Burner 1 could be 

construed as fraud.  As for the  insurance company they will want to know 

what it is insuring. So you tell them it is registered as a Speed-Burner 1 

and they say WOH - we have no history with that model and it doesnt show up 

on any listing we have of production or homebuilt aircraft, so we decline 

to insure it. But being the slick guy you are you tell the insurance 

company it is and RV-(x) and  they say  - Heres Your Policy  

have-a-nice-day.  NOW comes the potentially fun part.  Due to no fault of 

your own (being an excellent pilot) your airplane departs the paved parts 

of a controlled airport and the tower closes that part of the airport for a 

period of time and fills out an incident report on an RV-(x). You call the 

insurance company to file a claim, they pull

  your file AND check the FAA data base. OH OH we have a discrepancy here - 

now the fun begins.  Ya sure you want to open that box of snakes vs paying 

a few dollars to the state?

Anon

Dana Overall <bo124rs(at)hotmail.com> wrote: 

"Dana Overall"

 >From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com

 >Just remember -  It isn't an airplane until it has been inspected and

 >approved for flight !!

Bob, I wish that were so in Kentucky but it is not.  There is not

notification when you reserve an N number.  However, upon registration,

notification is sent to the resident state.  In Kentucky it is then either 

a

tangible or intangible taxable piece of property for property tax purposes.

The sales tax issue applies whether you register, don't register if you

bought the parts out of state, from an entity other than another person not

doing business as, and didn't pay appropriate sales tax.  They get you from

several directions.  I won't say again what my profession is other than I'm

getting ready to get real busy and will be so up until just before Sun &

Fun:-)

With that said, I am waiting until after Jan. 1 to send in my registration.

In Kentucky you have the ability to pay the "use" (sales tax) on your

individual income tax return for the year in which bought the parts.  I'll

pay some sales tax then.  The idea of property tax applies to what you had

in your possession on Jan. 1, the previous year.  So, by waiting post Jan. 

1

2007, my property tax will not be assessed until Jan. 1 2008 and not due

until the fall of 2009.  I'd rather play with my money than have "them" 

play

with it.   Enough of tax ideas, leave that up to the CPA's.........oh, wait

I am a........

Property tax.  I am registering my airplane as a DO-2 (Dana Overall, second

airplane).  I am not desiring to get around paying property tax, however, 

if

I register it as an RV, there is a huge data bank for the state to

arbitrarily apply a value to my airplane.  It could be more, less than what

I think it is worth.  By not giving them something to cross reference, I 

get

to tell them for a change.  No, they don't send someone out to look at it,

even if they did, what are the chances they would have any idea what an RV

airplane or a DO airplane was?  Yes, you can get RV insurance on and

airplane simply registered as a Double Throw Me Down-1, WOO HOO 7, Man This

Thing Cost A Fortune 10 (oh wait, that one maybe not a good one for tax

purposes).

Taxes on Christmas Eve...............Bah Humbug!!

BTW, MERRY CHRISTMAS

Dana Overall

Richmond, KY i39

RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"

O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4

http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg

http://rvflying.tripod.com

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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: registration results

It seems to me that we have an obligation to be truthful to tax

authorities, but no obligation to be similarly helpful. Since no two

RV7s are exactly alike, the best that can be said is they are based on

the RV7 design, hence a unique name/designation is neither wrong nor

deceitful.  The insurance company is interested is what general design

the aircraft conforms to, not what you call it.  If you tell them it is

an RV7 and when they inspect the wreck and find two engines, you may

have a problem.



There are simply too many variations and interations of even a common

design, such as the RV7, to be meaningful for valuation and taxing

purposes.  That's why when you look in Barnstormers and see the same

'model' experimental aircraft, the prices that are still all over the

lot.  If they were the same, the price would be the same.  Tax

authorizes tend to use a blunt instrument to extract maximum revenue.

If they over-reach, the appeal process will correct that.  If they

under-reach, well....Merry Christmas.



Chuck Jensen

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject: registration results

Reuven Silberman wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Your problem is not really with the state taxation folks but potentially with your insurance company. And trying to hide your RV from the state as a one-of just because you registered it as a Speed-Burner 1 could be construed as fraud. 	
 I don't see how.  First off, the airplane is not an RV-10 ..... that's the designation given to a couple of boxes of parts.  Call it a part number, if you will.  When the factory cranks out a bunch of spam cans, they're as identical as they can make them.  The collective WE that bought the boxes of parts cannot attain that goal, no matter how hard we try.  Builders have produced homebuilt aircraft named after the builders ..... probably since the first one!!!

  	  Quote: 	
		    As for the  insurance company they will want to know what it is insuring. So you tell them it is registered as a Speed-Burner 1 and they say WOH - we have no history with that model and it doesnt show up on any listing we have of production or homebuilt aircraft, so we decline to insure it. But being the slick guy you are you tell the insurance company it is and RV-(x) and  they say  - Heres Your Policy  have-a-nice-day. 	
 That's usually the way the conversation goes.  The fraud here would be if you told them it was a 'safest airplane -1' to get the good rate for an airplane that had a good accident record.  When you tried to collect and the claims adjuster looks at the wreckage or pictures of same and sees the difference.

  	  Quote: 	
		    NOW comes the potentially fun part.  Due to no fault of your own (being an excellent pilot) your airplane departs the paved parts of a controlled airport and the tower closes that part of the airport for a period of time and fills out an incident report on an RV-(x). You call the insurance  company to file a claim, they pull your file AND check the FAA data base. OH OH we have a discrepancy here - now the fun begins. 	
 The discrepancy is that the accident report should have covered a Speed-Burner 1, since that is what it's registered as and the accident investigator will get that from the airworthiness cert and registration that's carried in the airplane.  Perusing the accidents last month did produce a few homebuilts, almost all with the owners last name and the A/C designator.

  	  Quote: 	
		    Ya sure you want to open that box of snakes vs paying a few dollars to the state? 	
 Snakes???  That's a regulated commodity and you better have a license to transport snakes in your Speed-Burner 1!!   

 Linn

 And Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!   ...... May Santa smile on you greatly, and the reindeer miss!

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 [quote]

 Anon

   Dana Overall <bo124rs(at)hotmail.com> (bo124rs(at)hotmail.com) wrote:    	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" 

 >From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com (Oldsfolks(at)aol.com)

 >Just remember -  It isn't an airplane until it has been inspected and

 >approved for flight !!

 Bob, I wish that were so in Kentucky but it is not.  There is not 

 notification when you reserve an N number.  However, upon registration, 

 notification is sent to the resident state.  In Kentucky it is then either a 

 tangible or intangible taxable piece of property for property tax purposes.  

 The sales tax issue applies whether you  register, don't register if you     

 bought the parts out of state, from an entity other than another person not     

 doing business as, and didn't pay appropriate sales tax.  They get you from     

 several directions.  I won't say again what my profession is other than I'm     

 getting ready to get real busy and will be so up until just before Sun &     

 Fun:-)

 With that said, I am waiting until after Jan. 1 to send in my registration.  

 In Kentucky you have the ability to pay the "use" (sales tax) on your 

 individual income tax return for the year in which bought the parts.  I'll     

 pay some sales tax then.  The idea of property tax applies to what you had     

 in your possession on Jan. 1, the previous year.  So, by waiting post Jan. 1 

 2007, my property tax will not be assessed until Jan. 1 2008 and not due     

 until the fall of 2009.  I'd rather play with my money than have "them" play     

 with it.   Enough of tax ideas, leave that up to the  CPA's.........oh, wait     

 I am a........

 Property tax.  I am registering my airplane as a DO-2 (Dana Overall, second     

 airplane).  I am not desiring to get around paying property tax, however, if 

 I register it as an RV, there is a huge data bank for the state to 

 arbitrarily apply a value to my airplane.  It could be more, less than what     

 I think it is worth.  By not giving them something to cross reference, I get 

 to tell them for a change.  No, they don't send someone out to look at it,     

 even if they did, what are the chances they would have any idea what an RV     

 airplane or a DO airplane was?  Yes, you can get RV insurance on and 

 airplane simply registered as a Double Throw Me Down-1, WOO HOO 7, Man This     

 Thing Cost A Fortune 10 (oh wait, that one maybe not a good one for tax 

 purposes).

 Taxes on Christmas Eve...............Bah Humbug!!

 BTW, MERRY CHRISTMAS

 Dana Overall

 Richmond, KY i39

 RV-7 slider, Imron       	  Quote: 	

 [b]

martin(at)gbonline.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject: registration results

Garry,

I llive in Wisconsin where we have a very aggressive tax bureau.  When I 

finished my RV8, I paid them a tax on the invoice value from Vans on the 

basic fuselage kit.  Many others in my state have done the same.

Dick

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rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: registration results

Hi Dick,

That is a very common practice. Many have done the same here in Florida.

I am wondering what happens if and when one sells that aircraft for its 

value, as completed.

Does the tax organization get that information and compare it with the 

value as originally taxed?

Perhaps someone has that information, a related comment or actual 

experience with that scenario.



Regards and Merry Christmas.



Richard Dudley



dick martin wrote:



[quote] 



 Garry,

 I llive in Wisconsin where we have a very aggressive tax bureau.  When 

 I finished my RV8, I paid them a tax on the invoice value from Vans on 

 the basic fuselage kit.  Many others in my state have done the same.

 Dick

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lhelming(at)sigecom.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:30 am Post subject: registration results

I don't believe the weight and balance will be correct, nor would my air 

worthiness certificate be granted unless I had an engine attached to make it 

an airplane.  And, I would not fly it without instruments.



This sales/use tax avoidance advice is starting to make me ill.  I am 

considering disconnecting from this group because I do not like the thought 

of being associated with people who suggest to everyone it is ok to break 

the rules..  Hope this hurts and gets your attention  Dick -- from where I 

sit, you are suggesting that everyone join you in violating the law.  That 

will not justify your actions because maybe a hundred of others do it too.



Larry in Indiana do not archive

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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: registration results

Oh wow, Marry Christmas to you also Larry. I guess it is ok for the 

government to just arbitrarily take money from us wherever, whenever, 

however they want

and we should just roll over and take it with Vaseline. 



DO NOT ARCHIVE

Oh wow maLarryRobertHelming wrote:



[quote] 

 <lhelming(at)sigecom.net>



 I don't believe the weight and balance will be correct, nor would my 

 air worthiness certificate be granted unless I had an engine attached 

 to make it an airplane.  And, I would not fly it without instruments.



 This sales/use tax avoidance advice is starting to make me ill.  I am 

 considering disconnecting from this group because I do not like the 

 thought of being associated with people who suggest to everyone it is 

 ok to break the rules..  Hope this hurts and gets your attention  Dick 

 -- from where I sit, you are suggesting that everyone join you in 

 violating the law.  That will not justify your actions because maybe a 

 hundred of others do it too.



 Larry in Indiana do not archive

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jmsears(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:42 am Post subject: registration results

 	  Quote: 	
		  > This sales/use tax avoidance advice is starting to make me ill.  I am 

> considering disconnecting from this group because I do not like the 

> thought of being associated with people who suggest to everyone it is ok 

> to break the rules..  Hope this hurts and gets your attention  Dick --  

> from where I sit, you are suggesting that everyone join you in violating 

> the law.  That will not justify your actions because maybe a hundred of 

> others do it too.<<


	


Boy, that was a bit harsh.  I find that I am more talented at spending my 

money constructively than our government leaders.  Come to think of it, we 

are probably far less criminal than thnose we vote into office.  Ever wonder 

why anyone would spend millions to get a job that pays thousands of dollars 

a year?  There's got to be something behind that.  Larry, if it bothers you 

that some of us do the best we can to avoid giving all of our worldly wealth 

to the government to squander as they see fit, maybe you do need to move on. 

Hopefully, you were just kidding; and, your joke just didn't come out the 

way you intended.  Give this some thought.  The rich folks pay other folks 

to help them find ways to avoid paying taxes.  Most of us can't afford that; 

but, avoiding taxes is universal.  I'd just like to figure out a way to keep 

from paying income tax on retirement income.  That's money I can't spend on 

toys.  



Jim in KY

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