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CJohnston(at)popsound.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: riveting forward fuse panel area

hey all - 



i have many questions!!!  I'm now in week 2 of my vacation - been home working on the airplane the whole time...  I've just finished the flap actuation section, and I'm into the panel area.  I haven't really finalized my panel layout, or even which type of panel (aluminum or fiberglass) I'm going with.  Question - Am I a fool to rivet the upper forward fuselage section to the aircraft?  Is it really that tough to install the panel if you've done this already?  I won't be able to move on if i don't rivet it on, but I don't want to hose myself.  



also, in this section, you're supposed to rivet on some hinges for the cowl.  I'm using camlocs, but I haven't received them yet.  should I just leave the rivets out of the firewall flange for now?  I'm kinda lost here...  it seems like you need the engine on before you can mount the camlocs right?  or do you mount the receptacles now, and do the rest when you're doing the cowl?  what the heck?  



thanks in advance!



cj

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: riveting forward fuse panel area

Chris,



I imagine for some things it is a lot easier to install the panel, or at

least get a lot of the wires and systems in, before installing the upper fwd

fuse, but a lot of people, including me, just install it and run everything

with it in, especially those that don't want to invest in the instruments

before they need to.  There is a lot you can do without it, like installing

the cabin top (if you haven't already), but there certain things that just

can't be done with it off.  It is even possible to fit the cowling without

doing a final install, but it does require a couple of rivets.  Fitting the

cowling does require an engine (or at least most of one), though.  I would

recommend at least doing some of the sub-panel modifications before

installing it, which will help a lot.  You won't be hosed if you go ahead

and put it in, IMHO.  I would say, on the Camloc issue, that you really

can't rivet the glareshield skin to the firewall without the Camloc stuff,

unless you just rivet on a piece of aluminum and mount the Camlocs in that,

but I seem to remember seeing a special Camloc receptacle thing that rivets

on there for those who want it.  In this case, you need those first, but you

could put a couple of "keeper" rivets along the firewall and go ahead and

rivet down the sides.



Hope this helps.



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Jesse Saint

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: riveting forward fuse panel area

I am holding off riveting the forward fuse panel area.  I still have it 

clecoed in place.  I fit the canopy, fit the doors, I just installed the 

overhead in the canopy, I am working on wiring the plane, I want to get 

as many of the firewall penetrations completed, put the strips in for 

the camlocs, and then just before I complete the final install of the 

canopy, that is when I will rivet in the forward fuse plane.  It is much 

easier working on the plane with the forward panel removable and the 

canopy off.



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Chris Johnston wrote:

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		   hey all - 



 i have many questions!!!  I'm now in week 2 of my vacation - been home working on the airplane the whole time...  I've just finished the flap actuation section, and I'm into the panel area.  I haven't really finalized my panel layout, or even which type of panel (aluminum or fiberglass) I'm going with.  Question - Am I a fool to rivet the upper forward fuselage section to the aircraft?  Is it really that tough to install the panel if you've done this already?  I won't be able to move on if i don't rivet it on, but I don't want to hose myself.  



 also, in this section, you're supposed to rivet on some hinges for the cowl.  I'm using camlocs, but I haven't received them yet.  should I just leave the rivets out of the firewall flange for now?  I'm kinda lost here...  it seems like you need the engine on before you can mount the camlocs right?  or do you mount the receptacles now, and do the rest when you're doing the cowl?  what the heck?  



 thanks in advance!



 cj

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: riveting forward fuse panel area

Hi Chris,



You should be able to actually probably even attach the fiberglass

top before you finally rivet on the upper forward fuse.  I was

able to slide mine in place with the canopy in place.  I would

install it as late as possible, but even with it installed,

you should still be able to do plenty of panel work.  Just a

few things may not be quite as easy.  Not a huge deal.



Same thing with the firewall flange up there.  Just cleco it and

do all that when you finally do that upper forward fuse.  Basically,

you should be able to just press on until you just can't do

much more without riveting that stuff.  I didn't do camlocs, but

you probably can mount the recepticle side anytime, if you

can see where you want them to go.  The trick is, you'll want the

engine on to do the cowl, and you'll want the cowl trimmed to

place the camlocs.  So you probably can't do them unless you

can model after someone elses and know close to where they'll

be.  I'd just wait if I were you.



There's so darn much stuff to do on the kit that I'd just plug

away at everything that you obviously can do, and procrastinate

on everything you can that seals it all up.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Chris Johnston wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   hey all -

 

 i have many questions!!!  I'm now in week 2 of my vacation - been

 home working on the airplane the whole time...  I've just finished

 the flap actuation section, and I'm into the panel area.  I haven't

 really finalized my panel layout, or even which type of panel

 (aluminum or fiberglass) I'm going with.  Question - Am I a fool to

 rivet the upper forward fuselage section to the aircraft?  Is it

 really that tough to install the panel if you've done this already?

 I won't be able to move on if i don't rivet it on, but I don't want

 to hose myself.

 

 also, in this section, you're supposed to rivet on some hinges for

 the cowl.  I'm using camlocs, but I haven't received them yet.

 should I just leave the rivets out of the firewall flange for now?

 I'm kinda lost here...  it seems like you need the engine on before

 you can mount the camlocs right?  or do you mount the receptacles

 now, and do the rest when you're doing the cowl?  what the heck?

 

 thanks in advance!

 

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: riveting forward fuse panel area

Great point about the subpanel, Jesse.  Chris, he's right

about one thing.  If you're going to chop up and reinforce

those panel ribs on the sides, you'll want to do that before

you mount the forward fuse on the fuselage....and you'll want

to make sure you have them cut far enough to clear the

instruments you're planning on.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Jesse Saint wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Chris,

 

 I imagine for some things it is a lot easier to install the panel, or at

 least get a lot of the wires and systems in, before installing the upper fwd

 fuse, but a lot of people, including me, just install it and run everything

 with it in, especially those that don't want to invest in the instruments

 before they need to.  There is a lot you can do without it, like installing

 the cabin top (if you haven't already), but there certain things that just

 can't be done with it off.  It is even possible to fit the cowling without

 doing a final install, but it does require a couple of rivets.  Fitting the

 cowling does require an engine (or at least most of one), though.  I would

 recommend at least doing some of the sub-panel modifications before

 installing it, which will help a lot.  You won't be hosed if you go ahead

 and put it in, IMHO.  I would say, on the Camloc issue, that you really

 can't rivet the glareshield skin to the firewall without the Camloc stuff,

 unless you just rivet on a piece of aluminum and mount the Camlocs in that,

 but I seem to remember seeing a special Camloc receptacle thing that rivets

 on there for those who want it.  In this case, you need those first, but you

 could put a couple of "keeper" rivets along the firewall and go ahead and

 rivet down the sides.

 

 Hope this helps.

 

 Do not archive.

 

 Jesse Saint

 I-TEC, Inc.

 jesse(at)itecusa.org

 www.itecusa.org

 Cell: 352-427-0285

 Fax: 815-377-3694

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Ted French

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 54
Location: Kelowna BC Canada

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:01 am Post subject: riveting forward fuse panel area

Why not rivit it in place but leave the top skin off. Thats what I did and

it sure made it easy to do all the wiring and mounting of the behind the

panel stuff. My panel is removeable, so the last thing will be to install

it. It's already been in and out a half dozen times.



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