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bo124rs(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

I talked with Bob on the phone who stated the Garmin 430 has in internal 

"splitter" that will split the single coming off his NAV wingtip antenna and 

show both glide slope and localizer.  In doing my final hookups yesterday, I 

saw the glideslope male plug on the back of the housing.  Bob is truly an 

antenna wizard but I wonder about the above statement.  I have the wingtip 

antenna plugged into the NAV antenna hookup at this time.



Dana Overall

Richmond, KY i39

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Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

I have a 530/430 install and both have an external splitter to feed their

respective GS plugs.



Bruce

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bo124rs(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

Bruce, are you saying you are using one of Bob's antennas with one coax 

coming from the antenna then going through a splitter to go into each 

connection on the back of the tray?



Dana Overall

Richmond, KY i39

RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"

O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4

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[quote]From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)glasair.org>

Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:21:36 -0500






I have a 530/430 install and both have an external splitter to feed their

respective GS plugs.



Bruce

www.glasair.org

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Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

No, I have my antennas burried in my fuselage. I was commenting on his

belief that there was an internal splitter for nav/gs in the 530/430. They

don't.



Bruce

www.glasair.org

 



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charlieray(at)optonline.n
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

He may have misheard you.  The 480 has a single nav/gs combined coax 

connection and the 430/530 have independant inputs that can be fed with one 

coax coming from his antennas to a mini-circuits type splitter that works up 

to 500 mhz.

Charles



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wdleonard(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

This makes a lot of sense.  The 480 is an Apollo/UPS/II Morrow unit just like my SL-30 which also has an internal splitter.  Best I can tell, the UPS stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount stuff in usability and features (like that internal splitter - which works well).  IMHO, Garmin makes the best stuff in the business (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330, and their UAT receiver  the GDL-90), but only because they bought out UPS. 

  

 They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid of the mark-up.  The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS with a Marine database sells for $900.  We all need to agree to boycott such mark-ups. 

  

 Dave Leonard



 

 On 1/8/07, Charles Reiche <charlieray(at)optonline.net (charlieray(at)optonline.net)> wrote: [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: Charles Reiche <charlieray(at)optonline.net  (charlieray(at)optonline.net)>



He may have misheard you.  The 480 has a single nav/gs combined coax

connection and the 430/530 have independant inputs that can be fed with one

coax coming from his antennas to a mini-circuits type splitter that works up 

to 500 mhz.

Charles



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George McNutt

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 30

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

David Leonard wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   "Best I can tell, the UPS stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount 

 stuff in usability and features (like that internal splitter - which 

 works well).  IMHO, Garmin makes the best stuff in the business 

 (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330, and their UAT receiver  the 

 GDL-90), but only because they bought out UPS"

  

Agreed, based on my GNC 300 XL and SL-30 I think the UPS designed stuff 
	


is also much better inside the box, the amount of transmitter input 

power required for the Garmin design is about 60% greater than the 

comparable output UPS design.



George in Langley BC

michele.delsol(at)microsi
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

I believe general aviation in general has a strong mark-up. Mark-up also reflects a particular company’s market dominance – just look at the cost of Windows XP and then look at Microsoft’s balance sheet. XP is terribly overpriced but then what can one do if the programs you need only run on Windows. Back to GA GPSs - the real question is : Are there comparable but cheaper alternatives for a GPSmap 496? Also, does one really need all its features? It really is a question of mission profile. In my case, if I were to be objective, I’d probably stick to my Garmin Pilot III – it probably has more than I shall ever use. But since I am not fully rational as the fact that I am building a very expensive toy attests, I surely would love to have a Garmin 430 or a poor woman’s version in the form of a GPSmap 496.  

   

Michele  

RV8 - Finishing  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard

 Sent: mardi 9 janvier 2007 06:34

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna  

  

     

This makes a lot of sense.  The 480 is an Apollo/UPS/II Morrow unit just like my SL-30 which also has an internal splitter.  Best I can tell, the UPS stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount stuff in usability and features (like that internal splitter - which works well).  IMHO, Garmin makes the best stuff in the business (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330, and their UAT receiver  the GDL-90), but only because they bought out UPS.   

    

   

    

They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid of the mark-up.  The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS with a Marine database sells for $900.  We all need to agree to boycott such mark-ups.   

    

   

    

Dave Leonard

 

    

    

On 1/8/07, Charles Reiche <charlieray(at)optonline.net (charlieray(at)optonline.net)> wrote:   

--> RV-List message posted by: Charles Reiche <charlieray(at)optonline.net  (charlieray(at)optonline.net)>

 

 He may have misheard you.  The 480 has a single nav/gs combined coax

 connection and the 430/530 have independant inputs that can be fed with one

 coax coming from his antennas to a mini-circuits type splitter that works up 

 to 500 mhz.

 Charles

 

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GRWilliams2(at)bellhelico
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

Michele and others. I think you would be surprised at the mark up in general aviation products. If you recall around the mid 80's, you could buy a bonanza for around $13,000 with a low time engine. I used to work in drug seized aircraft and there were deals everywhere. Soon thereafter people started suing the manufacturers i.e. Cessna, Raytheon, Piper etc. Due to this the prices skyrocketed. Today the prices are way high to to liability issues. For instance the radio you are referring to in essence could be considered a liability for I believe it is around 20 years. I talked with Cessna's ex CEO a couple of years back when I was with Bombardier aerospace and if memory serves I think he told me that the mark up was around 75-80% of the actual cost of the product. Anyway back to the gist of Rvdom. After building an RV-8A If I were to build another I would do a couple of things differently. My mind set has changed and I think if you think about it it makes perfect sense. Dont go overboard with the avionics suite. Sure you can buy all the bells and whistles and yeah they are the coolest, but it adds to the workload of the pilot. Keep it simple and the flying and maintenance aspect are easier and more enjoyful. I now see why Van keeps his airplanes pretty much bone stock (bare bones) it is just plainly more fun. I would in the future have a standard VFR panel with steam gauges and for cross country trips my GPS 1000 (portable) complete with suction cup so when you get the airport loaner car it goes with you. Anyway hope you guys are doing well.  

   

Regards  

            Glenn Williams  

            A&P  

   

I believe general aviation in general has a strong mark-up. Mark-up also reflects a particular company's market dominance - just look at the cost of Windows XP and then look at Microsoft's balance sheet. XP is terribly overpriced but then what can one do if the programs you need only run on Windows. Back to GA GPSs - the real question is : Are there comparable but cheaper alternatives for a GPSmap 496? Also, does one really need all its features? It really is a question of mission profile. In my case, if I were to be objective, I'd probably stick to my Garmin Pilot III - it probably has more than I shall ever use. But since I am not fully rational as the fact that I am building a very expensive toy attests, I surely would love to have a Garmin 430 or a poor woman's version in the form of a GPSmap 496.  

   

Michele  

RV8 - Finishing    

   

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bo124rs(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

Don't know what all this $$$, Garmin, SL, liability thing had to do with a 

splitter..................but thanks for the splitter advice.



Just a thought.....................you might want to change the subject 

line.  I had to wade through opinions to find my answer.  Not starting the 

day off on a soapbox, just thinking out loud:-)



Dana Overall

Richmond, KY i39

RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"

O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4

http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg

http://rvflying.tripod.com

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 	  Quote: 	
		  From: "Williams, Glenn" <GRWilliams2(at)bellhelicopter.textron.com>

Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

To: "'rv-list(at)matronics.com'" <rv-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 06:11:23 -0600



Michele and others. I think you would be surprised at the mark up in 

general

aviation products. If you recall around the mid 80's, you could buy a

bonanza for around $13,000 with a low time engine. I used to work in drug

seized aircraft and there were deals everywhere. Soon thereafter people

started suing the manufacturers i.e. Cessna, Raytheon, Piper etc. Due to

this the prices skyrocketed. Today the prices are way high to to liability

issues. For instance the radio you are referring to in essence could be

considered a liability for I believe it is around 20 years. I talked with

Cessna's ex CEO a couple of years back when I was with Bombardier aerospace

and if memory serves I think he told me that the mark up was around 75-80%

of the actual cost of the product. Anyway back to the gist of Rvdom. After

building an RV-8A If I were to build another I would do a couple of things

differently. My mind set has changed and I think if you think about it it

makes perfect sense. Dont go overboard with the avionics suite. Sure you 

can

buy all the bells and whistles and yeah they are the coolest, but it adds 

to

the workload of the pilot. Keep it simple and the flying and maintenance

aspect are easier and more enjoyful. I now see why Van keeps his airplanes

pretty much bone stock (bare bones) it is just plainly more fun. I would in

the future have a standard VFR panel with steam gauges and for cross 

country

trips my GPS 1000 (portable) complete with suction cup so when you get the

airport loaner car it goes with you. Anyway hope you guys are doing well.



Regards



             Glenn Williams



             A&P



I believe general aviation in general has a strong mark-up. Mark-up also

reflects a particular company's market dominance - just look at the cost of

Windows XP and then look at Microsoft's balance sheet. XP is terribly

overpriced but then what can one do if the programs you need only run on

Windows. Back to GA GPSs - the real question is : Are there comparable but

cheaper alternatives for a GPSmap 496? Also, does one really need all its

features? It really is a question of mission profile. In my case, if I were

to be objective, I'd probably stick to my Garmin Pilot III - it probably 

has

more than I shall ever use. But since I am not fully rational as the fact

that I am building a very expensive toy attests, I surely would love to 

have

a Garmin 430 or a poor woman's version in the form of a GPSmap 496.



Michele



RV8 - Finishing






	


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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

Actually the pricing scheme is based on available market to  buy the product and share the expense of the design. There are allot more  boaters out there to offset the design of the software, where there  are less pilots, and even fewer who are willing to shell out big dollars  for upgrades, from 196-296-396-496, so they have to offset that with a higher  cost of entry.

 Now do not get me wrong, I too believe there is an  incredible mark up just based on the fact that GA is an elitist group, but hey I  am a pilot with an ego, and it would not be as much fun if everyone could do it,  right?

 Dan



   From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michèle  Delsol

Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:10 AM

To:  rv-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Bob Archer wingtip NAV  antenna

 

  

I believe general  aviation in general has a strong mark-up. Mark-up also reflects a particular  company’s market dominance – just look at the cost of Windows XP and then look  at Microsoft’s balance sheet. XP is terribly overpriced but then what can one do  if the programs you need only run on Windows. Back to GA GPSs - the real  question is : Are there comparable but cheaper alternatives for a GPSmap 496?  Also, does one really need all its features? It really is a question of mission  profile. In my case, if I were to be objective, I’d probably stick to my Garmin  Pilot III – it probably has more than I shall ever use. But since I am not fully  rational as the fact that I am building a very expensive toy attests, I surely  would love to have a Garmin 430 or a poor woman’s version in the form of a  GPSmap 496. 

  

Michele 

RV8 -  Finishing 

     

 

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard

Sent: mardi 9 janvier 2007  06:34

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Bob Archer wingtip  NAV antenna

 

   

This makes a lot of sense.  The 480 is an  Apollo/UPS/II Morrow unit just like my SL-30 which also has an internal  splitter.  Best I can tell, the UPS stuff is better than the Garmin panel  mount stuff in usability and features (like that internal splitter - which works  well).  IMHO, Garmin makes the best stuff in the business (430,480,GPS map  396/496, GTX-330, and their UAT receiver  the GDL-90), but only because  they bought out UPS. 

  

 

  

They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are  not afraid of the mark-up.  The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact  same GPS with a Marine database sells for $900.  We all need to agree  to boycott such mark-ups. 

  

 

  

Dave  Leonard



 

  

On 1/8/07, Charles Reiche <charlieray(at)optonline.net (charlieray(at)optonline.net)>  wrote:  

--> RV-List message posted by: Charles  Reiche <charlieray(at)optonline.net   (charlieray(at)optonline.net)>



He may have misheard you.  The 480 has a single nav/gs  combined coax

connection and the 430/530 have independant inputs that can be  fed with one

coax coming from his antennas to a mini-circuits type splitter  that works up 

to 500 mhz.

Charles



----- Original Message  -----

From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs(at)hotmail.com (bo124rs(at)hotmail.com)>

To: <rv-list(at)matronics.com  (rv-list(at)matronics.com)>

Sent:  Monday, January 08, 2007 7:46 AM

Subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV  antenna

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		   --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs(at)hotmail.com  (bo124rs(at)hotmail.com)>



 I  talked with Bob on the phone who stated the Garmin 430 has in internal

  "splitter" that will split the single coming off his NAV wingtip antenna

  and show both glide slope and localizer.  In doing my final hookups  

 yesterday, I saw the glideslope male plug on the back of the  housing.  Bob

 is truly an antenna wizard but I wonder about  the above statement.  I have

 the wingtip antenna plugged into  the NAV antenna hookup at this time. 



 Dana Overall

  Richmond, KY i39

 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"

 O 360  A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4

 http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg  

 http://rvflying.tripod.com

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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

David Leonard wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   This makes a lot of sense.  The 480 is an Apollo/UPS/II Morrow unit just

 like my SL-30 which also has an internal splitter.  Best I can tell, the 

 UPS

 stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount stuff in usability and features

 (like that internal splitter - which works well).  IMHO, Garmin makes the

 best stuff in the business (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330, and their UAT

 receiver  the GDL-90), but only because they bought out UPS.

 

 They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid of the

 mark-up.  The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS with a

 Marine database sells for $900.  We all need to agree to boycott such

 mark-ups.


	




I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for the 

plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there (but I 

already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds aloft, but 

if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the $900 unit will 

work just fine.



http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c



Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff!  



Sam Buchanan

Larry Bowen

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 802
Location: NC, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:27 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

Interesting option.  I wonder if one could still drive his AP with the 376...



-- 

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Larry(at)BowenAero.com

http://BowenAero.com



Sam Buchanan wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



 I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for the

 plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there (but I

 already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds aloft, but

 if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the $900 unit will

 work just fine.



 http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c



 Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff!  



 Sam Buchanan

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khorton01(at)rogers.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

On 9 Jan 2007, at 10:08, Sam Buchanan wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 David Leonard wrote:

> This makes a lot of sense.  The 480 is an Apollo/UPS/II Morrow  

> unit just

> like my SL-30 which also has an internal splitter.  Best I can  

> tell, the UPS

> stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount stuff in usability and  

> features

> (like that internal splitter - which works well).  IMHO, Garmin  

> makes the

> best stuff in the business (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330, and  

> their UAT

> receiver  the GDL-90), but only because they bought out UPS.

> They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid  

> of the

> mark-up.  The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS  

> with a

> Marine database sells for $900.  We all need to agree to boycott such

> mark-ups.

 I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for  

 the plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't  

 there (but I already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is  

 winds aloft, but if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad  

 then the $900 unit will work just fine.



 http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c



 Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff!  


	


I wonder if there is a groundspeed limit.  My dad purchased an older  

Garmin marine handheld GPS many years ago (forget which model), as it  

was a lot cheaper than the equivalent aviation handheld GPS.  It had  

a groundspeed limit of either 99 kt or 99 mph (forget which), and it  

would shutdown if you exceeded that speed.  It isn't a major issue  

for him, as his Fleet Canuck taildragger cruises at 75 kt. Of course  

it is a bummer to have to slow down on the one day when you get a big  

tailwind.  



Kevin Horton         RV-8 (finishing kit)

Ottawa, Canada

http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8

sbuc(at)hiwaay.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

Kevin Horton wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 	  Quote: 	
		   On 9 Jan 2007, at 10:08, Sam Buchanan wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  > I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for 

> the plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there 

> (but I already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds 

> aloft, but if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the 

> $900 unit will work just fine.

>

> http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c

>

> Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff!  

 	  Quote: 	

 I wonder if there is a groundspeed limit.  My dad purchased an older 

 Garmin marine handheld GPS many years ago (forget which model), as it 

 was a lot cheaper than the equivalent aviation handheld GPS.  It had a 

 groundspeed limit of either 99 kt or 99 mph (forget which), and it would 

 shutdown if you exceeded that speed.  It isn't a major issue for him, as 

 his Fleet Canuck taildragger cruises at 75 kt. Of course it is a bummer 

 to have to slow down on the one day when you get a big tailwind.  

Excellent question and one for which I have no answer. I had forgotten 

about the speed limit on some of the old GPS's. Maybe somebody will ping 

Garmin and get an answer.

Sam Buchanan

wdleonard(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna

I'm pretty sure you could use the marine unit to steer your autopilot Larry, it has NMEA output.  You will probably need to hand enter most of the waypoints though, so it would be far less than ideal.  However, putting the auto pilot to its "maintain current course" setting would work for most situations. 

  

 I am most interested in a 396/496 to display traffic data from the 330 mode S transponder.  I doubt the marine unit would do that.

  

 -- 

David Leonard



Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY

My websites at:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html

 http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html

http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com 



 

 On 1/9/07, Larry Bowen <Larry(at)bowenaero.com (Larry(at)bowenaero.com)> wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)BowenAero.com  (Larry(at)BowenAero.com)>



Interesting option.  I wonder if one could still drive his AP with the 376...



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Larry(at)BowenAero.com (Larry(at)BowenAero.com)

http://BowenAero.com 



Sam Buchanan wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



 I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for the

 plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there (but I

 > already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds aloft, but
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the $900 unit will

 work just fine.



  http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c



 Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff!  



 Sam Buchanan


	


	


LOL Sam.  That is a riot.  I wonder what the GPS would think of a boat doing 200 kts....  at 10,000 feet.   I wonder if it even has altitude data. 



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