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george.mueller(at)aurora.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: Time to buy the 912S

It is time for me to buy the Rotax 912S for my 701.  What has been the experience of folks on this list with different vendors?  Does Zenith stock their engines, or drop ship them from Rotax dealers?  Who has the best pricing and after the sale service? 

 

 

 

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: Time to buy the 912S

George in Milwaukee:

You said: "It is time for me to buy the Rotax 912S for my 701.  What has been the experience of folks on this list with different vendors?  Does Zenith stock their engines, or drop ship them from Rotax dealers?  Who has the best pricing and after the sale service? "



I'm at the same point as you are and am most interested in the 'after the sale service'.  I had superb service from Jabiru on my previous 3300 but I gather from comments that it is not a good choice for the 701.  So the 912S seems to be the consensus choice for the 701 but I also hear adverse comments about their service so your question is most important to me.



I talked to Roger at Zenith at Oshkosh and he said they could provide the complete engine package but I neglected to ask about their after-sales service.  Given Zenith's outstanding support on the kits I would expect the same on the engines but will be most interested in any comments on their engine support.



Stan

701VG (reserved)



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georgerace

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: Time to buy the 912S

Hi George:  

   

From a different prospective, have you considered the Jabiru 2200A?  

   

Lower fuel burn, 85 HP, no wet cooling system, no gear reduction unit, runs under 3000 RPM, very smooth and quiet running.  

Available with complete FWF package for somewhat less dollars than the RoTax 912.  The 2000 TBO figure is also appealing.  

   

I bought mine last fall from JabiruUSA in Tennessee.  One beautiful little engine!  They do have a web site with all the details.  

   

Just another option to consider.  

   

George  

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: Time to buy the 912S

George

  For pricing you'll see that everyone is pretty much the same. When I 

looked a couple of years ago, I found that southern Mississippi would sell 

for $500 cheaper but wanted the cash up front. Lockwood and LEAF would take 

a credit card and their pricing was the same.  I had heard from others about 

the good service at Loockwood, so I went with them.  Since then, they have 

been very responsive to all of my inquiries.

  I used the CWA firewall forward.



George May

601XL  912s

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:12:17 -0600



It is time for me to buy the Rotax 912S for my 701.  What has been the

experience of folks on this list with different vendors?  Does Zenith

stock their engines, or drop ship them from Rotax dealers?  Who has the

best pricing and after the sale service?



George in Milwaukee


	


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zodieman

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: Time to buy the 912S

George I hear nothing but good things about Lockwood. I doubt you will get competitive pricing on Rotax engines since the dealer margins are really thin.Also, consider the Czech Aircraft Works firewall forward instead of the "old" ZAC one. The new system they show on their site was developed in Germany.

I'm extremely happy with the CZAW front-end on my 601HD compared to the old stock ZAC system.



 Trev Page

C-IDUS 601HD R912

 



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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: Time to buy the 912S

I haven't bought an engine from them, but I did buy  several instruments a few years ago. They were great to work with.

  

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billmileski

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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Time to buy the 912S

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		  George I hear nothing but good things about Lockwood. 	




Ditto. I didn't even buy my 912S from Lockwood, but they have been very very helpful to me many times.  If I bought again, I'd buy from them.



For what it's worth, I would consider the 912 instead of the 912S. I have significant startup vibration with the 912S even with some efforts to reduce it, and besides the ridiculous takeoff capability, I cruise well below 75% power all the time, can approach Vne in horizontal flight, and have concluded that the 80hp version would be a very sensible match, with its lower cost, and lower compression. It would probably cruise about right at 75%, give similar great short field performance, tolerate wider fuel quality, burn slightly less gph (maybe), and vibrate less. Just food for thought. Although in the resale world, some might worry that people want the 912S instead..



Best of luck, and all of your options are great, I have a friend with a Jab 2200 in his newly completed 701 and it is really nice (performance figures not measured yet)..



Bill Mileski

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RURUNY(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: Time to buy the 912S

I was at that same crossroads a couple years ago Dec 04 as Rotax was about  to increase the price of its 

 engines and asked the same questions. I ordered it that month from  Zenith and it was delivered Mar 1 05.

 I got the lower price, a savings of $1300 or so. I had ordered a 912s  firewall fwd with my kit from Zenith  earlier. My decision to switch to the  912 80hp was on some advice of some mountain flyers and you can see my response  to them back then below. If I could do this again now, I would get the engine  from Lockwood because thats where I'd probably send it to for major problems and  their expertice. I would get the firewall fwd from Skyshops because their cowl  is nicer, they have the airbox included, and its definately a more complete  setup. It was not available as a choice at the time. I would still get the  80hp.

  

 Brian

 701 90% and holding

 http://www.701builder.com          under construction also but at 15%

  

  

 Thanks Ken,Dave,and Gary for your thoughts and experience.

Since I live  at sea level and will do most of my flying in this area and not in

mountains  I will get the 80 hp engine and not the 100. I'ts definately the  most

realistic choice for what I'll be doing. 



With that decision made  I called Warp drive Inc this morning and talked to Daryll

about the change  from the 912s to the 912. I received a 70" 3 blade warp drive

prop with my  Zenith firewall kit. He said that the blades be cut down to give

an overall  68" diam prop for the 80 hp. The factory will do all 3 blades for

about 30  dollors. He was very familiar with all Zenith models, engine choices,

and  prop choices for each. He also noted that all blades are cast at 72" and

tips  cut down to specified size. 

Here is a link to  the price increase  warning at a Rotax retailer.This is causing

me to act quick and avoid the  higher costs a couple months from now. Thanks

to the guys who tipped the list  off to the increase.



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