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kitfox555(at)sbcglobal.ne
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: rib stitch

Thanks for all the input lots of good information, for those who wants to know ;I feel that Don Smythe said it best and I will stitch the ribs sound like fun anyway, someone said not use flat lace, that sound right  the safety and know it can't hurt and the looks  I'm sold    THANKS 

Jerry Evans 

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Brett Walmsley

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 47
Location: Savannah, GA

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: Re: rib stitch

It was me that said not to use the flat cord. My experience with it was not too good. It got too twisted. I did a couple ribs with it and gave up and switched to the round waxed cord. Make sure you clean up th wax residue before you start taping.

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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: rib stitch

Good choice, in my opinion.  Nothing wrong  with belt+suspenders.  

 To the person who said to not use the flat  lace.  Why not?

 Deke

  

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   Thanks for all the input lots of good information, for those who wants to    know ;I feel that Don Smythe said it best and I will stitch the ribs sound    like fun anyway, someone said not use flat lace, that sound right  the    safety and know it can't hurt and the looks  I'm sold       THANKS 

Jerry Evans 

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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: rib stitch

Quick answer.  Almost like talking on the phone!  Personally I used the

round cord, but I wondered about the flat cord because if done properly it

would probably not leave as much of a raised cord area.   Your explanation

makes sense.

Deke



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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: rib stitch

Not a bad choice.



I did use the flat rib stitching cord,  I am just a bit curious as why the 

flat cord is discouraged.



Lowell



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aldaniels(at)fmtcblue.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: rib stitch

I have done glue only on the capstrip with 10 years of flying and no 

problems, I have rib stitched, but my favorite is to rivet to the 

capstrip. All the kitfox build group planes are use rivets as well as 

the one I built since. Rib stitching is fun so do what YOU want to do 

and what make you feel good.



jerry evans wrote:

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		   Thanks for all the input lots of good information, for those who wants 

 to know ;I feel that Don Smythe said it best and I will stitch the 

 ribs sound like fun anyway, someone said not use flat lace, that sound 

 right  the safety and know it can't hurt and the looks  I'm sold    

 THANKS

 Jerry Evans

 kitfox 555

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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: rib stitch

Lowell, did you use the flat stitch cord while building or re-covering?

Would you use it again it again?



Dave

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: rib stitch

Dave,



I was building.  As I said, the subject came up on the early Kitfox list and 

I was swayed by the various posts.  I used the flat cord.  I enjoyed the 

process, had no particlular trouble with it and would do it again.  I have 

to say though that it was long enough ago that I would have to start over 

agian learning the knots.  One thing I did remember and it was brought to 

mind by the can't ribstitch through wing tanks comment.  I did stitch to the 

false ribs below the tanks by making various needle length and shapes by 

flattening the end of a length of coat hanger drilling a hole thriugh it 

deburring and sharpening the other end.  I found that the hardened needles 

would break rather than bend.  Being able to bend the needles got me around 

the drag-anti-drag tubes and other things I forgot were in the wing.



Lowell

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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: rib stitch

Lowell are you the same guy here?

Just curious ,

Dave



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kitfoxlist/message/29348

Re: Rib Stitching

Ron, Some have. I didn't, in fact it didn't occur to me at the time for

some reason. My opinion on the subject: Not necessary. The dimensions are

not great enough to allow much ballooning even if the fabric separated from

the ribs.



Lowell

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: rib stitch

Lowell: 

Your post reminded me that's just about the way we had to do it in

school....  But what we did was de-temper pre curved needles.  Not easy...



In one champ I worked on the drag/antidrag tubes actually passed through the

fuel tank.  The tubes had to be removed with the gas tank.  To be honest on

that particular plane the cloth was attached to the ribs with special screws

which were then covered with tape.  This forum is the first I've heard of

the flat string.  I can see it being a good idea.



Noel

I still like the look of a nice rib stitching job.  It's a bit like pinking.

If you went through all the rouble of getting the right tape and applying it

properly why would you want to cover it in tons of dope??  I feel sorry for

the all metal planes.  They don't have the nice tapes.

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: rib stitch

Well,  I guess there are enough Lowells on the list to add an initial or 

two.



I guess I,ll add an F to see if it clears up who is who.



I fly a Model IV-1200 that I built between 1993 and 1998.  I did rib stitch. 

Rotax 912 powered it has 830 hours on it to date.



Lowell F

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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: rib stitch

That message reads from



Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)...>

and your  is  ""From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net""



I can give you more but I won;t  point has been made.



End of discusion  ok ?



Regards,

Dave

Now if you wantd to look more

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kitfoxlist/message/47605

same guy claim no stiching ?

The part I was referring to was the:



"FOLLOW THE

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		   >MANUFACTURER'S INSTRUCTIONS TO THE LETTER.


	


"Do NOT glue to fabric to the cap strips"".



My point is that both Denney and Skystar say glue and probably more than 99

percent of Kitfox builders glued. For the life of me, I can't envision any

problem with that. If the builder thinks that is not enough then ribstitch.

It doesn't require a one or the other but not both decision.



In my experience, the Kitfox world has been pretty silent on capstrip fabric

glue failures. If this issue was a real issue, we wouldn't be having this

discussion.



Lowell

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Fox5flyer
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: rib stitch

Dave, as I read Lowell's post in the archives he was referring to the

horizontal stab?

Deke



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