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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: Wow!

I would have never guessed...my inbox is filling up as fast as I

can reply, and we're up to 72 now.  I think I'm going to be a

busy guy.



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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: Wow!

Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the

packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will make

sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and I do

not know how many others, but I can help.



Dan

N289DT 



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: Wow!

There you have it, another great guy steps up to the

plate to help those over the ocean.



What a group we have.



77 now.  Dan, did you want them for you or are you just

doing the straight shaft ones on the cheap?



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the

 packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will make

 sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and I do

 not know how many others, but I can help.

 

 Dan

 N289DT 

 

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John Ackerman

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 130
Location: Prescott, AZ

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: Wow!

Tim, please add me to the list. I was gonna get the really nice ones,  

but the price difference is too convincing.



One suggestion - it might be best if the transition in diameter were  

made with a generous radius ( like even 1/4" or more), rather than a  

"sharp" inside corner.

I can't tell from your photos  what the radius is.

Thanks a bunch for doing this! You continue to be one hell of an  

asset to the community.

Best

John Ackerman



On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:18 AM, Tim Olson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I would have never guessed...my inbox is filling up as fast as I

 can reply, and we're up to 72 now.  I think I'm going to be a

 busy guy.



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 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Mike Whisky

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 336
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Wow!

Ok, if Europe is possible too please add me to the list as well!



Michael Wellenzohn (Switzerland)



 	  LloydDR(at)wernerco.com wrote: 	
		  Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the

packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will make

sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and I do

not know how many others, but I can help.



Dan

N289DT 



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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:37 am Post subject: Wow!

My cheapo ones are done. Don Gray made them locally for me.

Just let me know how many I need to do and we will make it happen ASAP

for our friends out east! 



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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: Wow!

Hi Tim,

My time spent estimating tells me that these are costing $11.00 each  

after the initial set up costs... so that an order of 150 pieces  

should wind up around 14.50 each... or $29.00 per pair... but I'd  

imagine that you're really going to be looking at ordering between  

250 and 300 pieces by the time the dust settles on this.  For  

example,I think I'll be ordering two pair, as Nick Gautier is  

building around the corner from me and I just need to confirm that he  

wants them as well.

I am concerned that you'll be spending a big chunk of your time  

shipping these out as the list grows and don't think any of us want  

you to have to go through all that.  Perhaps the manufacturer is set  

up for UPS shipping and for a nominal fee they can handle that for  

you.  I'd be happy to forgo some of the savings from this amazing  

group buy to save you that time and effort.... or you could drop ship  

a batch to me and a few others around the country and we could split  

up the work of getting them all out.

Jeff Carpenter

40304

On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:

[quote] 

 There you have it, another great guy steps up to the

 plate to help those over the ocean.

 What a group we have.

 77 now.  Dan, did you want them for you or are you just

 doing the straight shaft ones on the cheap?

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 do not archive

 Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:

> 

> <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>

> Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the

> packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will  

> make

> sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and  

> I do

> not know how many others, but I can help.

> Dan

> N289DT --

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:47 am Post subject: Wow!

No problem Jeff. I've had a bunch of offers of help, but what gets

me is that if I shipped them somewhere for reshipping, that just

increases the cost...so I'm trying to keep it low.  You're probably

right on the pricing...the old quote for 40 was $17.75, so it's

likely going to be lower now by a ways.  I'm up to 90 people, for

180 units.  At $15 that's $2700 to spend on the machining. 

It's far more quantity than I figured it would be, but it's

do-able.  As long as people are helping with the international

stuff, that makes it easier.  The reason I went USPS is because

you get the box for free and it's a flat-rate charge that should

be identical.   I doubt that the manufacturer will want to deal

with shipping, but for this one-shot thing, I don't mind.

We'll just see how good it all gets.  I know some people are

wanting these a.s.a.p, so I'm going to hold to a Thursday

8am CST deadline and then just have some made up.  At that point

at least I'll know how much hardware to order.  Glad I didn't

do that this a.m. or I'd be WAAAY short.

You know, this would make a heck of a lot more sense if I was

still building and needed a pair.  Call me a sucker, but

you guys have just grown on me over the past 3 years. 

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Jeff Carpenter wrote:

[quote] 

 Hi Tim,

 My time spent estimating tells me that these are costing $11.00 each 

 after the initial set up costs... so that an order of 150 pieces should 

 wind up around 14.50 each... or $29.00 per pair... but I'd imagine that 

 you're really going to be looking at ordering between 250 and 300 pieces 

 by the time the dust settles on this.  For example,I think I'll be 

 ordering two pair, as Nick Gautier is building around the corner from me 

 and I just need to confirm that he wants them as well.

 I am concerned that you'll be spending a big chunk of your time shipping 

 these out as the list grows and don't think any of us want you to have 

 to go through all that.  Perhaps the manufacturer is set up for UPS 

 shipping and for a nominal fee they can handle that for you.  I'd be 

 happy to forgo some of the savings from this amazing group buy to save 

 you that time and effort.... or you could drop ship a batch to me and a 

 few others around the country and we could split up the work of getting 

 them all out.

 Jeff Carpenter

 40304

 On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:

> 

>

> There you have it, another great guy steps up to the

> plate to help those over the ocean.

>

> What a group we have.

>

> 77 now.  Dan, did you want them for you or are you just

> doing the straight shaft ones on the cheap?

>

> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

> do not archive

> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:

>> 

>> <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>

>> Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the

>> packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will make

>> sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and I do

>> not know how many others, but I can help.

>> Dan

>> N289DT --

owl40188(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject: Wow!

For those who can wait , how about picking them up as Sun-N-Fun?  I don't mind waiting for mine and picking it up there.  Saves Tim some work and saves some shipping costs.  Tim, if you won't be going to Sun-N-Fun you can send them to me and I will distribute them.

  

 By the way Tim I would like a set also.

  

 Niko

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: Wow!

Not that it's a bad suggestion, but I'd really like to just

get these things made and get them in people's hands.

I just weighed one, and it looks like 3.6oz each, so it

should easily fit into the USPS flat boxes and it's

I think only $4.05 or at most $4.85 for shipping then.  That

way everyone has them, and they feel happy to have spent

the money because they actually received them.  With today's

issues, reminded by the recent D2AV debacle, I'd rather

see them out the door and not have anyone waiting too long.

Just saw Symphony aircraft closed up and left it's deposited

buyers holding nothing.....the assets of the company won't

cover the deposits they'd owe.  So since Sh-tuff happens,

I'd like to just see everyone satisfied a.s.a.p.



BTW: We're up to 97 people so far.



I spoke with the machining company today to verify the design

with him since I changed it a tad from the original quote,

and to stress that I wanted 3/4" threaded depths.  They're

doing it on CNC and they may buy some special taps to do the

threads that deep in aluminum.   I asked about leadtime and

he thinks about 2 weeks would do it.  Price wise, he

said the big drop was 20 to 40 quantity, and while it may drop

more, it probably won't drop much from the $17.75 previously

quoted.   Disappointing to hear, but understandable since

they gain the efficiency by doing a certain quantity for

machine setup, but beyond that the efficiencies get smaller and

smaller.  I'll doublecheck with another place in town too.



As for hardware, from ACS I can get all the hardware except I

it looks like I can quite get 300 of the stainless screws today...

so unless they get stock before they ship (they're supposed to)

there may be some that can only go out with 2 screws, instead

of the 3.  I just added 1 to each hardware item to guarantee

if you broke/damaged/lost one you'd have a spare.  I'm sure

that won't be a deal killer for anyone though....one screw.

But, if they get them in stock, I'll get them here.



So we're looking good.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Niko wrote:

[quote] For those who can wait , how about picking them up as Sun-N-Fun?  I 

 don't mind waiting for mine and picking it up there.  Saves Tim some 

 work and saves some shipping costs.  Tim, if you won't be going to 

 Sun-N-Fun you can send them to me and I will distribute them.

  

 By the way Tim I would like a set also.

  

 Niko

 

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ddddsp1(at)juno.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: Wow!

Tim, 

I want a set.  I also want to be #100 before JC contacts you.   Will send address info later but it is on the builders list. 

Thanks, 

DEAN 



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: Wow!

Now THAT's funny!!  I put my name on the list too, so I

can have a pair to save and do something with later, an that

puts you at 100. 



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Tim,

 

 I want a set.  I also want to be #100 before JC contacts you.   Will 

 send address info later but it is on the builders list.

 

 Thanks,

 

 DEAN

dogsbark(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: Wow!

Tim,

  

 It seems there may an opportunity to get additional information with all this activity.  I would love to get a list of builder's websites if they are willing.  I believe you have around thirty listed on your site.  You've now heard from a hundred of them.  Just a thought.

  

 Thanks so much for everything.

  

 Sean Blair

 #40225 

  

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: Wow!

Time to call it a day.  Pretty much spent a lot of time

returning emails and making lists today.  You guys are

pretty overwhelming.    You know, I had wondered if we

could get 20 people together to make the cost low.  As

it turns out, today we're at 125....PEOPLE.  That's 250

machined extensions.  I am truly amazed.  That's almost

1/5th of the current kit sales, all wanting parts within

a little over 24 hours.  Total costs with my local sales

tax will come to just about $4700 at this point, if the

quote stays the same.  And after that, there's bolts

and shipping and stuff.  Whoda thunkit?   But, RV guys

are about the most reliable people I've met, so as much

as it gets spooky, it's gonna happen.  Still, no checks

should be sent yet.  Let's get the total costs figured

out first.  With a group this large, I'll have to

quick get an estimate on all the packaging stuff and

just make sure it all gets covered.  I'm hoping that

a large number of people like Paypal, as it sure beats

going to the bank and writing a deposit slip up for

125 checks.   I checked on paypal fees and if I read

it right, it's 2.9%+ $.30, so it only adds about $1.75

roughly.



So there's about 36 hours left and I close the doors on

the deal and start the gears of procurement and production.

To you guys this may be a cool way to get some parts....

for me it's turning into a mind-blowing experience. 



I do appreciate all the offers of help.  I just so far

think if I can just get all of you to send your mailing

addresses in so I can complete my spreadsheet fields,

it should go pretty smoothly.



Sorry that they told me to expect a 2 week timeframe

for manufacture.  I'll see if I can get that reduced

if possible.



Thanks for the support for your positive comments.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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DOUGPFLYRV(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: Wow!

Outstanding. Never can tell how things will go. U have me on  the list so here is my info.

  

 Doug Preston

 2726 Paden Trail

 Birmingham, AL 35226

  

 #40372

 C-205-873-2955

  

 Thanks again.

 dp

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speckter(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: Wow!

I don't know if you have my GA address

3030 Orchard RD SW

Conyers GA 30094



Thanks for all this work.  You are appreciated

Gary



PS Come on down and warm up sometime.



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greytex

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 28

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: Wow!

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Tim, Add me to your extender list.

  

 John Cram

 2809 Westchester Cir.

 Pearland, TX, 77584

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moons1999(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: Wow!

Ok, so I must have missed it somewhere, but what is the issue that the extensions address?  Hopefully I am not the only person wondering this.  I really try to keep up, but with the amount of e-mails this list generates I sometimes miss things trying to catch up.



--Shawn

40366



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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: Wow!

Apparently several people have experienced bolt failures because the structure isn’t beefy enough.  I’m sure those people will chime in with the exact facts.  I’m not flying so I’m just going by my interpretation from previous accounts.  These failures can cause your wheel pant to come loose and cause a host of other problems.  I would go as far as to say it is a short coming in the design of the part but I might get lambasted for it.  Wait, since when do I care.  It’s a shortcoming in the part that will be more prevalent depending on the types of operation that you perform.  Hard landings and soft surface being the two things that exasperate the problem.  I’m guessing Van’s will eventually correct the problem but for now it is left to the builders.  No sense in Van changing things to accommodate just a few people that may have the problem.  Oops, there I go again.  J  

   

Michael Sausen  

-10 #352 Limbo  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Moon

 Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:43 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Wow!  

  

  

       

Ok, so I must have missed it somewhere, but what is the issue that the extensions address?  Hopefully I am not the only person wondering this.  I really try to keep up, but with the amount of e-mails this list generates I sometimes miss things trying to catch up.

 

 --Shawn

 40366    

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: Wow!

Shawn,



Here's a page I set up:

http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html



Basically, we owe it all to Russ Daves, who got us started

by telling us his experience where the bolt failed, and

wrecked his wheel fairing.  Not cheap or fun.  It appears

that the skinny-ness of the normal stem allowed it to rock

back and forth and cause eventual stress cracks on the bolt,

which was only an AN4 to begin with.  Then it snapped, and

your fairing can hit the ground or rub on the tire and rip

itself up.  Jesse then chimed in that they've had this

happen too.  So with a couple of known cases, people

started thinking.



My initial reaction was that perhaps there was something

different with the installation that caused it to fail

easier since I had more time on mine with no problems.

BUT, looking at how it's made, it's easy to see how it

could break.  So I put it on my to-do list to get some.

At the same time, a couple of offers of manufacturing

came up at $125/pr.  I wanted some, but would do just

about anything to not pay that kind of price.  I thought

$50 was more realistic....and I set out to prove it

and got quotes that did.  The new parts have a wide

base that doesn't allow them to rock, and has a thicker

AN5 Bolt, so if the old was "good enough" for Van's,

the new should be "really good enough".



But, then we get to the issue that the price will indeed

be high if everyone just wanted a single pair from

some machine shop.  My own friend said about $80/pr

if he did them on his home lathe.  He did mine for free

to see if the design would work.  I didn't want to

do anything with large orders unless they fit perfectly

and looked good. Well, they did.  I figured maybe 20

people would be interested....but apparently it's

a lot more interesting for people, as they never want

to have to deal with broken fairings or dents in their

plane from a fairing crunch.  So they're the popular

item of the week, since I'm only doing one order of

them.  I do believe, from talking to a couple of people,

that when the dust settles, you'll find that someone

will start making and selling these at some in-between

price....so it's not an emergency to get them right

away.  But, for now this will be a way to get them

as cheap as possible.  I'll feel like a bit of a heel

though if suddenly Van's offers the same thing

as a replacement part.  (haven't heard a peep from

them)



So anyway, that's the nutshell.

Tim

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Shawn Moon wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Ok, so I must have missed it somewhere, but what is the issue that the 

 extensions address?  Hopefully I am not the only person wondering this.  

 I really try to keep up, but with the amount of e-mails this list 

 generates I sometimes miss things trying to catch up.

 

 --Shawn

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