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brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: Rotax 912 differences

In the latest issue of Kitplane, they listed a lot of different engines for experimental aircraft.  For the Rotax, they list both a 912S and a 912ULS, with different prices. (the difference was only a couple of hundred)  Is there a difference between these models?  HP, displacement, weight were all the same.  My guess would have been that one was certified, but the price difference (or lack of) makes me think different.  Or is this just a mistake in the magazine?



Ryan

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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: Rotax 912 differences

Hi Ryan,



I think one is "Authorized by the manufacturer" for IFR 

operations.  This has no real meaning when the engine is installed in 

an experimental airplane.



Paul



At 06:26 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  In the latest issue of Kitplane, they listed a lot of different 

engines for experimental aircraft.  For the Rotax, they list both a 

912S and a 912ULS, with different prices. (the difference was only a 

couple of hundred)  Is there a difference between these models?  HP, 

displacement, weight were all the same.  My guess would have been 

that one was certified, but the price difference (or lack of) makes 

me think different.  Or is this just a mistake in the magazine?



Ryan

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zenith601xl(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: Rotax 912 differences

As I understand....  The certified engine is the only one Rotax approves for night or IFR flight.  The non-certified engine is specifically not approved for either.  There is about $10,000 price difference.  The only difference I know of is the addition of carb heat.  I guess it is a question of risk and liability.  Unfortunately I can't find a website that has pricing for the certified engine to confirm my information.  Jabiru imposes no such restrictions. 

  

 Dennis



 

 On 2/2/07, Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net (p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net)> wrote: [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net  (p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net)>



Hi Ryan,



I think one is "Authorized by the manufacturer" for IFR

operations.  This has no real meaning when the engine is installed in

an experimental airplane.



Paul



At 06:26 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote: 

[quote]In the latest issue of Kitplane, they listed a lot of different

engines for experimental aircraft.  For the Rotax, they list both a

912S and a 912ULS, with different prices. (the difference was only a 

couple of hundred)  Is there a difference between these models?  HP,

displacement, weight were all the same.  My guess would have been

that one was certified, but the price difference (or lack of) makes  [quote][b]

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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:43 am Post subject: Rotax 912 differences

The price difference was only about $800 (if I remember correctly).  When I get home and look at the article I'll find out for sure and let you know.





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		   Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:21:54 -0500

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 Subject: Re: Rotax 912 differences

 

 As I understand....  The certified engine is the only one Rotax approves for night or IFR flight.  The non-certified engine is specifically not approved for either.  There is about $10,000 price difference.  The only difference I know of is the addition of carb heat.  I guess it is a question of risk and liability.  Unfortunately I can't find a website that has pricing for the certified engine to confirm my information.  Jabiru imposes no such restrictions.

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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: Rotax 912 differences

The 912S is the certified 100HP engiine and thte 912ULS is the  

uncertified version. The price difference shown in the ad doesn't  

sound right to me either.  I went to the website for the supplier  

listed in the ad and they don't even show the 912S in their list of  

new engines available. They do however list the 912S under available  

rebuilt engines. That may account for the price difference.

On Feb 2, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Ryan Vechinski wrote:



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 <brothapig(at)hotmail.com>

 In the latest issue of Kitplane, they listed a lot of different  

 engines for experimental aircraft.  For the Rotax, they list both a  

 912S and a 912ULS, with different prices. (the difference was only  

 a couple of hundred)  Is there a difference between these models?   

 HP, displacement, weight were all the same.  My guess would have  

 been that one was certified, but the price difference (or lack of)  

 makes me think different.  Or is this just a mistake in the magazine?



 Ryan


	


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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: Rotax 912 differences

Rotax makes 5 versions of their 912 engine according to http://www.rotec.com/engines/4stroke.htm - 912UL, 912ULS, 912A,912F and 912S.  The first 2 are non-certified.  The 912A is JAR-22 certified, the 912F is FAR-22 certified and the 912S is FAR-33 certified.  I could not find any prices for the certified engines.  My guess is because they are only made available to OEM's.  I was told by an SLSA distributor last year that the price difference was about $10,000 and the only difference was the addition of carb heat on the certified engine.  This conversation was regarding the 100 HP engine.  This would not be the first mistake in the Kitplanes directory.  Maybe they will address it in a future issue.  I recall an old (about 1 year or so) edition of Kitplanes which made reference to the certified and non-certified versions of this engine and reported a substantial price premium for the certified engine.  I looked for it, but have apparently recycled it. 

  

 Dennis

 

 

 On 2/2/07, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin(at)comcast.net (bryanmmartin(at)comcast.net)> wrote: [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin(at)comcast.net  (bryanmmartin(at)comcast.net)>



The 912S is the certified 100HP engiine and thte 912ULS is the

uncertified version. The price difference shown in the ad doesn't

sound right to me either.  I went to the website for the supplier

 listed in the ad and they don't even show the 912S in their list of

new engines available. They do however list the 912S under available

rebuilt engines. That may account for the price difference.

On Feb 2, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Ryan Vechinski wrote: 



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		   --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ryan Vechinski

 <brothapig(at)hotmail.com (brothapig(at)hotmail.com)>

 In the latest issue of Kitplane, they listed a lot of different 

 engines for experimental aircraft.  For the Rotax, they list both a

 912S and a 912ULS, with different prices. (the difference was only

 a couple of hundred)  Is there a difference between these models? 

 HP, displacement, weight were all the same.  My guess would have

 been that one was certified, but the price difference (or lack of)

 makes me think different.  Or is this just a mistake in the magazine? 



 Ryan


	


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N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

do not archive.





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