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Ramills(at)charter.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

Listers,

 I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with up 

to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating smiley's 

even with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls being used. 

I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried it today 

installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, no bounce 

and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as 

comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward  position but the 

results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will 

be buying another one of  the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is 

interested they are in  the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a deal 

, What a deal.   Just thought  if anyone was looking for their first gun 

or a spare this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for Zenith gun and 

would not buy again. Inquiring minds may want to know.



Rodney Mills

Northport, Al

601XL/ Corvair

skyguynca

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 128

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

I have been using Harbor Freight rivet pullers for years. I have even pulled 

Cherry #6 with them repairing working rivets on DeHavilland Twin Otter 

struts. Best deal out there, my oldest one is 4 years old and still working 

without a problem.

David Mikesell

23597 N. Hwy 99

Acampo, CA 95220

209-224-4485

skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com

www.skyguynca.com

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pilot4pay

Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Posts: 171
Location: Louisville, KY

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:17 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

Anyone have the SKU for the sale price? I just searched HF for "rivet" and

lowest price I could find on the 93458-3VGA 3/16 air hyd. Riveter is 26.99.

As for convenience of use..

Rodney, have you tried a swivel hose attachment? 

ITEM 46123-2VGA

Or

ITEM 7535-3VGA



Thanks for the tip.

Craig Smith



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CH640 builder
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and then realize that half of them are even stupider!"
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wjones(at)brazoriainet.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

Hey Craig ,The catalog for HF is 881-C ,Key on back is BD3713 .Item # 

93458-4BDB $19.99 . Hope this helps

Wade Jones    South Texas

601XL plans building

Cont. 0200

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

Last time I checked their site you have to go thru several pages to locate the various models with different prices. I think I also remember a sale item link on their home page. The various guns all look the same but have different prices. 



I do use a swivel attachment and it is a good idea.



Dred

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---- C Smith <pilot4profit(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Anyone have the SKU for the sale price? I just searched HF for "rivet" and

 lowest price I could find on the 93458-3VGA 3/16 air hyd. Riveter is 26.99.

 As for convenience of use..

 Rodney, have you tried a swivel hose attachment? 

 ITEM 46123-2VGA

 Or

 ITEM 7535-3VGA

 

 Thanks for the tip.

 Craig Smith

jwguitars(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

I built the tail section with the rivet gun and also

had trouble with smiley's...I started using the hand

riveter on the wings and I was surprised how quickly

that went...It seems like a lot of rivets to pull by

hand, but the hand riveter works great...



Working on wings

--- C Smith <pilot4profit(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:



[quote] 

 <pilot4profit(at)sbcglobal.net>

 

 Anyone have the SKU for the sale price? I just

 searched HF for "rivet" and

 lowest price I could find on the 93458-3VGA 3/16 air

 hyd. Riveter is 26.99.

 As for convenience of use..

 Rodney, have you tried a swivel hose attachment? 

 ITEM 46123-2VGA

 Or

 ITEM 7535-3VGA

 

 Thanks for the tip.

 Craig Smith

 

 --

ding(at)tbscc.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

Listers,

            I also use one from H.F.     I use a regulator at the compressor

and one of their swivels with an adjustable restrictor at the gun so it

pulls the rivet at a slower speed.   Works great.

                                                                        Lynn

601XL / Corvair     Building fuselage currently

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pilot4pay

Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Posts: 171
Location: Louisville, KY

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

Thanks a bunch Wade, that's exactly what I needed!

Do not archive 

Craig Smith



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CH640 builder
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ch701builder

Joined: 07 Feb 2006
Posts: 119
Location: N38.9947,W105.1305,ALT. 9,100'

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

All, I have received one of these types of rivet guns for Christmas, (my wife), but haven't had any time to use it. I did read through the directions, about the "Priming" part. Mine does have some oil in it, but I am not sure if the amout is correct. The directions are very "UNCLEAR" about how much oil to add. It just says fill the cap full, What Cap?

 

 Any info would be helpfull.

 

 Keith

 CH701 -- not riveting, but cutting and forming ribs

 ****************************************************************

 

 Rodney Mills wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rodney Mills <Ramills(at)charter.net> (Ramills(at)charter.net)   

   

 Listers,   

 I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with up to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating smiley's even with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls being used. I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried it today installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, no bounce and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward  position but the results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will be buying another one of  the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is interested they are in  the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a deal , What a deal.   Just thought  if anyone was looking for their first gun or a spare this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for Zenith gun and would not buy again. Inquiring minds may want to know.   

   

 Rodney Mills   

 Northport, Al   

 601XL/ Corvair   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

 	
 

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      *************************************         Keith Ashcraft   5   3   2004-01-06T20:01:00Z   2006-12-17T23:07:00Z   1   29   168   ITT Advanced Engineering & Sciences   1   1   196   11.8107   <![endif]-->     Print   150   Clean   Clean      false   false   false   MicrosoftInt ernetExplorer4   <![endif]-->     <![endif]-->  st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) }  <![endif]-->      /* Style Definitions */  table.MsoNormalTable 	{mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; 	mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; 	mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; 	mso-style-noshow:yes; 	mso-style-parent:""; 	mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; 	mso-para-margin:0in; 	mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:10.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-ansi-language:#0400; 	mso-fareast-language:#0400; 	mso-bidi-language:#0400;}  <![endif]-->   <![endif]-->       <![endif]-->   

************************************* 

Keith Ashcraft 

ITT 

5009 Centennial Blvd. 

Colorado Springs, CO 

                      80919 

(719) 599-1787 -- work 

(719) 332-4364 -- cell 

keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com (keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com) 

 

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

Not sure about the priming amount Keith. I've had one since 2002 and it has built two ultralights and is still working on the 601XL. All I have done is to put 2 - 4 drops of light machine oil, like 3 in 1 oil, in the inlet before every use. That has worked fine for mine.

Dred

Do Not Archive

---- Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   All, I have received one of these types of rivet guns for Christmas, (my 

 wife), but haven't had any time to use it. I did read through the 

 directions, about the "Priming" part. Mine does have some oil in it, but 

 I am not sure if the amout is correct. The directions are very "UNCLEAR" 

 about how much oil to add. It just says fill the cap full, What Cap?

 Any info would be helpfull.

 Keith

 CH701 -- not riveting, but cutting and forming ribs

 ****************************************************************

 Rodney Mills wrote:

 > 

 >

 > Listers,

 > I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with 

 > up to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating 

 > smiley's even with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls 

 > being used. I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried 

 > it today installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, 

 > no bounce and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun 

 > is not as comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward  

 > position but the results in my case were far superior to my Zenith 

 > supplied gun. I will be buying another one of  the Harbor Freight 

 > guns. If anyone is interested they are in  the current sale catalog 

 > for $19.99. What a deal , What a deal.   Just thought  if anyone was 

 > looking for their first gun or a spare this is worth looking at. I 

 > paid over $70 for Zenith gun and would not buy again. Inquiring minds 

 > may want to know.

 >

 > Rodney Mills

 > Northport, Al

 > 601XL/ Corvair

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 -- 

 *************************************

 *Keith Ashcraft*

 ITT

 5009 Centennial Blvd.

 Colorado Springs, CO

                       80919

 (719) 599-1787 -- work

 (719) 332-4364 -- cell

 keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com

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 or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not

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JohnDRead(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

Did the Zenith nose piece fit the HF gun?

  

 John Read

 CH701 in Colorado slats and all!

  [quote][b]

dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

John, the gun I got from Harbor Freight and the gun I got with the tool kit through Zenith do not share the same nose pieces. I didn't even try to modify the HF nose pieces.... I shipped a set back to Zenith and they did them for a small fee.



Dred



---- JohnDRead(at)aol.com wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Did the Zenith nose piece fit the HF gun?

  

 John Read

 CH701 in Colorado slats and all!

Jaybannist(at)cs.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

I sidestepped the whole pneumatic riveter bit.  I discovered an electric drill attachment called RiveDrill, from Isham, Inc.  I actually used two of them, one set up for A4 rivets and one for A5s.  I nearly broke my hands pulling A5s before I got the RiveDrill.  Makes pulling rivets a cinch with no chance of smileys.  Tight spots still require a hand puller.  I got one from Ace Hardware with a swiveling head that works much better than the one I got from ZAC.  I cupped the nose pieces myself, with good results.  (I don't work for RiveDrill, Isham or Ace, but I can sure vouch for their products)



Jay in Dallas

agustafson(at)chartermi.n
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

Everybody spends money somewhere. Some here some there. I got a Huck 175 

riveter. Lots of power, no kick back, very compact and light, lots of money! 

I'm happy.



Aaron Gustafson  601 HD   11 years    fly in two months?????  0-200  do not 

archive

wjones(at)brazoriainet.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

Hey Keith ,I had the same questions . Use as is  ,just add a couple of drops of the oil supplied into the air inlet of the rivet  gun . Mine has caused no problems after pulling a couple thousand rivets (lots  more to go ).

 Do not Archive

 Wade Jones    South Texas 

601XL plans building

Cont.  0200

 [quote]   ---

Elwood140(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

In a message dated 2/14/2007 2:17:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,  agustafson(at)chartermi.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Everybody spends money somewhere. Some here some there. I got a Huck    175 

riveter. Lots of power, no kick back, very compact and light, lots of    money! 

I'm happy.

	


 

 Aaron, I'm convinced.  Where can one buy a Huck 175?

  

 Larry Wood

 (N701LW will fly this year?)

  [quote][b]

ch701builder

Joined: 07 Feb 2006
Posts: 119
Location: N38.9947,W105.1305,ALT. 9,100'

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

All, thanks for the info.

 Keith

 *************************************************************************

 

 wade jones wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		              Hey Keith ,I had the same questions . Use as is ,just add a couple of drops of the oil supplied into the air inlet of the rivet gun . Mine has caused no problems after pulling a couple thousand rivets (lots more to go ).

   Do not Archive

   Wade Jones    South Texas 

 601XL plans building

 Cont. 0200

    	  Quote: 	
		       ----- Original Message ----- 

     From:     Keith Ashcraft (keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com) 

     To:     zenith-list(at)matronics.com (zenith-list(at)matronics.com) 

     Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:15 AM

     Subject: Re: Rivet Gun

     

     

 All, I have received one of these types of rivet guns for Christmas, (my wife), but haven't had any time to use it. I did read through the directions, about the "Priming" part. Mine does have some oil in it, but I am not sure if the amout is correct. The directions are very "UNCLEAR" about how much oil to add. It just says fill the cap full, What Cap?

     

 Any info would be helpfull.

     

 Keith

 CH701 -- not riveting, but cutting and forming ribs

 ****************************************************************

     

 Rodney Mills wrote:

      	  Quote: 	
		  --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rodney Mills <Ramills(at)charter.net> (Ramills(at)charter.net)       

       

 Listers, 

 I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with up to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating smiley's even with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls being used. I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried it today installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, no bounce and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward  position but the results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will be buying another one of  the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is interested they are in  the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a deal , What a deal.   Just thought  if anyone was looking for their first gun or a spare this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for Zenith gun and would not buy again. Inquiring minds may want to know. 

       

 Rodney Mills 

 Northport, Al 

 601XL/ Corvair 

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

     	
     

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                              Keith Ashcraft   5   3   2004-01-06T20:01:00Z   2006-12-17T23:07:00Z   1   29   168   ITT Advanced Engineering & Sciences   1   1   196   11.8107   <![endif]-->     Print   150   Clean   Clean      false   false   false</ w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>   MicrosoftInt ernetExplorer4   <![endif]-->     <![endif]-->      st1\:* { 	BEHAVIOR: url(#ieooui) }  <![endif]-->              /* Style Definitions */  table.MsoNormalTable 	{mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; 	mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; 	mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; 	mso-style-noshow:yes; 	mso-style-parent:""; 	mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; 	mso-para-margin:0in; 	mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:10.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-ansi-language:#0400; 	mso-fareast-language:#0400; 	mso-bidi-language:#0400;}  <![endif]-->   <![endif]-->       <![endif]-->          

*************************************     

Keith Ashcraft     

ITT     

5009 Centennial Blvd.     

Colorado Springs, CO     

                      80919     

(719) 599-1787 -- work     

(719) 332-4364 -- cell     

keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com (keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com)     

     

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************************************* 

Keith Ashcraft 

ITT 

5009 Centennial Blvd. 

Colorado Springs, CO 

                      80919 

(719) 599-1787 -- work 

(719) 332-4364 -- cell 

keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com (keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com) 

 

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

John-

     I used a ball mill in my drill press to cut the majority  of the concave recess, then touched it up with a Dremel. Chuck a rivet and  insert it in the nosepiece hole to line things up, then clamp in your vise. Took  me maybe 15 minutes to do the whole set.

                                       do not archive

 Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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agustafson(at)chartermi.n
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

>>>  Where can one buy a Huck 175?

  

 Google Huck AK-175 and search for best price. REMEMBER I said it was "lots  of money".

  

 do not archive

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pilot4pay

Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Posts: 171
Location: Louisville, KY

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

try

 http://www.toolsusa.com/asp/item_detail.asp?T1=PBE+RSR+4766&GENB=&UID=

 or

 http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/hucak175a.html

 or

 http://www.toolfetch.com/Category--Air_Tools--Specialty_Air_Tool--HUCAK175A.shtml

 and

http://www.alcoa.com/fastening_systems/commercial/en/product.asp?cat_id=564&prod_id=2859

  

 Just a few from a quick Google

 Craig Smith

   From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Elwood140(at)aol.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:51  PM

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Zenith-List:  Rivet Gun

 

  In a message dated 2/14/2007 2:17:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,  agustafson(at)chartermi.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Everybody spends money    somewhere. Some here some there. I got a Huck 175 

riveter. Lots of power,    no kick back, very compact and light, lots of money! 

I'm  happy.

	


 

 Aaron, I'm convinced.  Where can one buy a Huck 175?

  

 Larry Wood

 (N701LW will fly this year?)

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SN: 0078

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and then realize that half of them are even stupider!"
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