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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
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Hey All,
I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).
Includes:
Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter
6 mo warranty
8.5-1 compression ratio
Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance
All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses affected)
$36.5K (is this a fair price)
Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about?
Thanks,
Jay
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
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#1 Question would be how it has been stored. Has it been torn down,
inspected and resealed, or still in original 1979 assembly mode, in
which case the seals are probably junk even if the engine was
perfectly pickled. If it hasn't been open since 1979, as it sounds,
I'd factor in the cost of a teardown, inspect and reseal, figuring any
corroded or otherwise unairworthy part would be covered under said
warranty. Otherwise, you face the fairly high risk of something
failing, perhaps 7 months after you buy it and then you have to
teardown and fix with no warranty.
On 3/5/07, Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
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Hey All,
I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).
Includes:
Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter
6 mo warranty
8.5-1 compression ratio
Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance
All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses affected)
$36.5K (is this a fair price)
Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about?
Thanks,
Jay
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:02 am Post subject: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
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Check with Americas Engines, www.overhaul.com. Much less for a newer
engine with brand new ECI cylinders.
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On Mar 5, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Jay Brinkmeyer wrote:
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Hey All,
I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero
time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).
Includes:
Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter
6 mo warranty
8.5-1 compression ratio
Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance
All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older
than thoses affected)
$36.5K (is this a fair price)
Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about?
Thanks,
Jay
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co Guest
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
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Is it worth saving $1,700 to get this certified buy old engine over an
experimental but new Mattituck engine, with the $1,000 discount if you pay
quickly? I am thinking the value would stay with the plane better with the
new one. At $31,500 that might be a deal.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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bcondrey
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
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Jay,
I'd either negotiate a better price or pass on it. You can get a NEW
engine from Mattituck (and I suspect others) for only $2K more and it
will have a new engine warranty, etc.
Since this engine has been sitting since 1979 it should at least be gone
over to determine if the internals are Ok. Another RV-10 builder had
his engine gone through by the local engine shop, didn't need any parts
(except gaskets, rings, etc), and the cost was about $2000. That
expense alone gets you to the price of new even if no parts are needed
which is doubtful. I would think that as a minimum the fuel system
would need to have seals replaced.
Bob
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
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Jay,Strickly speaking, you realize that only the Lycoming factory can "reman" an engine to "zero time" right? If anyone else other than the factory does it then it is simply an overhaul. If this is just an overhaul, then an additional $3,500 could get you a brand new "clone."When was it "reman'd?" If more than 12 years ago then it is effectively "run out" even though it is "never used." Additional information is required to fully answer your question.Williamhttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ --> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer Hey All,I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).Includes:Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter6 mo warranty8.5-1 compression ratioFull test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balanceAll AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses affected)$36.5K (is this a fair price)Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about?Thanks,JayNever Miss an EmailStay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail [quote][b]
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
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Only Lycoming can produce a "remanufactured" Lycoming engine. If this is other than a genuine Lycoming zero time reman then, at that price, run. A way to know is the engine log will have no entries and the front inside page will be a sticker signed by Lycoming with 0.0 for engine total time. Also, a Lycoming reman will have the suffix "R" on the serial number.
Good Luck,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
bill(at)wtdaviationtechnology.com (bill(at)wtdaviationtechnology.com)
"Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> wrote:
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Jay,
I'd either negotiate a better price or pass on it. You can get a NEW
engine from Mattituck (and I suspect others) for only $2K more and it
will have a new engine warranty, etc.
Since this engine has been sitting since 1979 it should at least be gone
over to determine if the internals are Ok. Another RV-10 builder had
his engine gone through by the local engine shop, didn't need any parts
(except gaskets, rings, etc), and the cost was about $2000. That
expense alone gets you to the price of new even if no parts are needed
which is doubtful. I would think that as a minimum the fuel system
would need to have seals replaced.
Bob
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
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Hi Bill,
That may be true today, but it wasn't always true. In 1971 a factory
reman was installed in my plane. I still have that logbook, with same
serial number 3 overhauls later. The only letters in the serial number
are L at the front and A at the rear. The factory signature looks like
Jim Heim, Mar 19, 1971. Hmm, better get a birthday gift for my engine,
for its 36th.
On 3/5/07, Bill DeRouchey <billderou(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote] Only Lycoming can produce a "remanufactured" Lycoming engine. If this is
other than a genuine Lycoming zero time reman then, at that price, run. A
way to know is the engine log will have no entries and the front inside page
will be a sticker signed by Lycoming with 0.0 for engine total time. Also, a
Lycoming reman will have the suffix "R" on the serial number.
Good Luck,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
bill(at)wtdaviationtechnology.com
"Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> wrote:
Jay,
I'd either negotiate a better price or pass on it. You can get a NEW
engine from Mattituck (and I suspect others) for only $2K more and it
will have a new engine warranty, etc.
Since this engine has been sitting since 1979 it should at least be gone
over to determine if the internals are Ok. Another RV-10 builder had
his engine gone through by the local engine shop, didn't need any parts
(except gaskets, rings, etc), and the cost was about $2000. That
expense alone gets you to the price of new even if no parts are needed
which is doubtful. I would think that as a minimum the fuel system
would need to have seals replaced.
Bob
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Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co Guest
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
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Jay,
If the engine has been sitting since 1979, it's not a bolt-in. It basically
needs a teardown inspection to replace seals, check for corrosion, etc.
Most shops charge a flat rate for that so it should be an easy thing to
price, assuming no squawks. The cost of the engine should reflect needing
the inspection. Lycon in Visalia, CA is charges about $31K for a similar
engine outright w/ fresh overhaul, dyno run, etc. www.lycon.com . Your
price seems high.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
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All,
Thanks for the many replies to my post. I'll be passing on this engine "deal" and looking for more favorable terms. The true value of this community is access to those who have all sorts of knowledge and viewpoints beyond our own.
Jay
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