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biglar
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 Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: Powered Parachute |
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I've given long and serious thought to a PPC, but even tho' I could land
almost anywhere in the event of an engine out, it'd be a helluva hike out in
this country. The thought of buzzing along at 20 mph at low altitude in
this canyon country sure is appealing, tho'. Gots another project to
finish 1st, too.............  Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Powered Parachute |
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Hey Big Lar,
I just finally sold my Buckeye Dream Machine....
http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=453
There ...OK , but it got boring after a short time....it was something to fly
CHEAP , while I was building my plane.....but weather has to be very good
and I don't think you want to drag yer $3,000 chute over just anything,
and fly thru canyons ??? I wouldn't trust wind gusts....
Maybe someday when I can't fly planes anymore....I'll get another one.
I'm having ALOT more fun in my Kolb ....and I can fly on pretty windy
days .....
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:07 am Post subject: Powered Parachute |
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At 11:50 PM 2/23/2007, Larry Bourne wrote:
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I've given long and serious thought to a PPC, but even tho' I could land
almost anywhere in the event of an engine out, it'd be a helluva hike out
in this country. The thought of buzzing along at 20 mph at low altitude
in this canyon country sure is appealing, tho'....
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At 07:09 AM 2/24/2007, planecrazzzy wrote:
| Quote: | I just finally sold my Buckeye Dream Machine...OK , but it got boring
after a short time....
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Don't confuse PPC and PPG; they are two very different things. A PPC is
still a big chunk of iron with a Rotax engine and with wheels, you still
can't land it just anywhere... and yeah, sluggish and kinda boring. A
backpack PPG, OTOH, handles FAR better (it's like the difference between
driving a Mack truck and a tiny sports car) and really can land nearly
anywhere with just a few steps... and without damage. Yes, it's wind
limited... but now I have a Kolb for windier days. Yippee!
But a PPG is still a wonderful toy for low flying on a good day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjMV3VF7et0
-Dana
do not archive
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planecrazzzy
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Powered Parachute |
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confused...?
PPG - no engine - Glider....
I think your talkin about a powered one , right....
Powered Parachute....PPC
Gotta Fly
| d-m-hague(at)comcast.net wrote: | At 11:50 PM 2/23/2007, Larry Bourne wrote:
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I've given long and serious thought to a PPC, but even tho' I could land
almost anywhere in the event of an engine out, it'd be a helluva hike out
in this country. The thought of buzzing along at 20 mph at low altitude
in this canyon country sure is appealing, tho'....
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At 07:09 AM 2/24/2007, planecrazzzy wrote:
| Quote: | I just finally sold my Buckeye Dream Machine...OK , but it got boring
after a short time....
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Don't confuse PPC and PPG; they are two very different things. A PPC is
still a big chunk of iron with a Rotax engine and with wheels, you still
can't land it just anywhere... and yeah, sluggish and kinda boring. A
backpack PPG, OTOH, handles FAR better (it's like the difference between
driving a Mack truck and a tiny sports car) and really can land nearly
anywhere with just a few steps... and without damage. Yes, it's wind
limited... but now I have a Kolb for windier days. Yippee!
But a PPG is still a wonderful toy for low flying on a good day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjMV3VF7et0
-Dana
do not archive
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:58 am Post subject: Powered Parachute |
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At 11:35 AM 2/24/2007, planecrazzzy wrote:
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confused...?
PPG - no engine - Glider....
I think your talkin about a powered one , right....
Powered Parachute....PPC
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No.
PG = Paraglider (unpowered)
PPG = Powered Paraglider (paramotor)
PPC = Powered Parachute
do not archive
-Dana
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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: Powered Parachute |
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Dana, After watching a lot of my friends transition from hang gliding to paragliding and the injuries invovled, I adapted the following philosophy, "Airframes, don't leave Earth without them".
Rick
On 2/24/07, Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net (d-m-hague(at)comcast.net)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net (d-m-hague(at)comcast.net)>
At 11:50 PM 2/23/2007, Larry Bourne wrote:
| Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" < biglar(at)gogittum.com (biglar(at)gogittum.com)>
I've given long and serious thought to a PPC, but even tho' I could land
almost anywhere in the event of an engine out, it'd be a helluva hike out
in this country. The thought of buzzing along at 20 mph at low altitude
in this canyon country sure is appealing, tho'....
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At 07:09 AM 2/24/2007, planecrazzzy wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" < planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com (planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com)>
| Quote: | I just finally sold my Buckeye Dream Machine...OK , but it got boring
after a short time....
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Don't confuse PPC and PPG; they are two very different things. A PPC is
still a big chunk of iron with a Rotax engine and with wheels, you still
can't land it just anywhere... and yeah, sluggish and kinda boring. A
backpack PPG, OTOH, handles FAR better (it's like the difference between
driving a Mack truck and a tiny sports car) and really can land nearly
anywhere with just a few steps... and without damage. Yes, it's wind
limited... but now I have a Kolb for windier days. Yippee!
But a PPG is still a wonderful toy for low flying on a good day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjMV3VF7et0
-Dana
do not archive
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport. [quote][b]
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dhkey(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: Powered Parachute |
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Richard,
I was under the impression that there were a lot of people injuring
themselves in hang gliding and that paragliding had less injuries. Is that
not the case?
do not archive
| Quote: | From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Powered Parachute
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:55:22 -0600
Dana, After watching a lot of my friends transition from hang gliding to
paragliding and the injuries invovled, I adapted the following philosophy,
"Airframes, don't leave Earth without them".
Rick
On 2/24/07, Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> wrote:
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>At 11:50 PM 2/23/2007, Larry Bourne wrote:
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> >I've given long and serious thought to a PPC, but even tho' I could land
> >almost anywhere in the event of an engine out, it'd be a helluva hike
>out
> >in this country. The thought of buzzing along at 20 mph at low altitude
> >in this canyon country sure is appealing, tho'....
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>At 07:09 AM 2/24/2007, planecrazzzy wrote:
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> >I just finally sold my Buckeye Dream Machine...OK , but it got boring
> >after a short time....
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>Don't confuse PPC and PPG; they are two very different things. A PPC is
>still a big chunk of iron with a Rotax engine and with wheels, you still
>can't land it just anywhere... and yeah, sluggish and kinda boring. A
>backpack PPG, OTOH, handles FAR better (it's like the difference between
>driving a Mack truck and a tiny sports car) and really can land nearly
>anywhere with just a few steps... and without damage. Yes, it's wind
>limited... but now I have a Kolb for windier days. Yippee!
>
>But a PPG is still a wonderful toy for low flying on a good day:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjMV3VF7et0
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> -Dana
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>do not archive
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>But, Officer, a broadsword is hardly a concealed weapon!
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: Powered Parachute |
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Dana, Not in my experience. Willi was killed at the Butte after a canopy collapse. George broke both legs when he was picked up by a thermal while waiting for a takeoff ramp. His wife spent a year in a body cast after being slammed into a house at Oceanside. Mike broke his back. A couple of broken legs spread around, not to mention the weekly rescue from the trees at Tiger Mtn. The rest of us retreated into the Cascades where the glide out was too far for the bags. Probably a bad statistical sample, but having no health insurance I took heed. As my sixth grade teacher, Mrs. Wood, always said, "A word to the wise is sufficient".
I will admit after going through the LSARM class for PPC I was much impressed with the technology, but not enough to want to fly one.
Rick
I'm finally learning to add "Do not archive"
On 2/24/07, David Key <dhkey(at)msn.com (dhkey(at)msn.com)> wrote: | Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com (dhkey(at)msn.com)>
Richard,
I was under the impression that there were a lot of people injuring
themselves in hang gliding and that paragliding had less injuries. Is that
not the case?
do not archive
| Quote: | From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com (jindoguy(at)gmail.com)>
Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Powered Parachute
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:55:22 -0600
Dana, After watching a lot of my friends transition from hang gliding to
paragliding and the injuries invovled, I adapted the following philosophy,
"Airframes, don't leave Earth without them".
Rick
On 2/24/07, Dana Hague < d-m-hague(at)comcast.net (d-m-hague(at)comcast.net)> wrote:
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>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net (d-m-hague(at)comcast.net)>
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>At 11:50 PM 2/23/2007, Larry Bourne wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com (biglar(at)gogittum.com)>
> >
> >I've given long and serious thought to a PPC, but even tho' I could land
> >almost anywhere in the event of an engine out, it'd be a helluva hike
>out
> >in this country. The thought of buzzing along at 20 mph at low altitude
> >in this canyon country sure is appealing, tho'....
>
>At 07:09 AM 2/24/2007, planecrazzzy wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com (planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com)>
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> >I just finally sold my Buckeye Dream Machine...OK , but it got boring
> >after a short time....
>
>Don't confuse PPC and PPG; they are two very different things. A PPC is
>still a big chunk of iron with a Rotax engine and with wheels, you still
>can't land it just anywhere... and yeah, sluggish and kinda boring. A
>backpack PPG, OTOH, handles FAR better (it's like the difference between
>driving a Mack truck and a tiny sports car) and really can land nearly
>anywhere with just a few steps... and without damage. Yes, it's wind
>limited... but now I have a Kolb for windier days. Yippee!
>
>But a PPG is still a wonderful toy for low flying on a good day:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjMV3VF7et0
>
> -Dana
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>do not archive
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Powered Parachute |
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I don't have to remember....I just made a "signiture" out of it....
( I never say anything worth remembering anyway )
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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At 02:29 PM 2/24/2007, David Key wrote:
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I was under the impression that there were a lot of people injuring
themselves in hang gliding and that paragliding had less injuries. Is that
not the case?
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HG and PG (unpowered) are pretty comparable statistically in terms of
injuries. Powereed PG (PPG), OTOH, has a much better safety record. This
is largely because PPGers avoid the active air that their unpowered
brethren seek out. Also, a botched PPG takeoff leaves you on the ground,
whereas a PGer may find himself instantly hundreds of feet up as he goes
over the edge. Finally, like any powered aircraft landing, under normal
conditions the PPG pilot has power available to go around if necessary.
Wing collapses (which fixed wing pilots seem to fear the most) are actually
pretty rare in PPG flying, and account for a very small percentage of
accidents. Most accidents are inexperienced pilots (unfortunately PPG
training tends to be inadequate) doing something stupid, and experienced
pilots pushing it too hard too close to the ground. Although it *looks*
insane (I admit it), the safety record of PPG (per flight hour) is about
the same as for certified aircraft.
-Dana
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biglar
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: Powered Parachute |
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I spent a whole summer about 7 years ago, flying HG's and PG's at the very
active flight area behind the University of California at San Bernardino,
and aside from a couple of twisted ankles, neither saw nor heard of any
other injuries. That's not to say injuries don't happen - I know they most
certainly do, but I felt comfortable and secure in both types of beast. As
has been said, common sense is probably the biggest factor.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: Powered Parachute |
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Hi Gang:
Been out of town a couple days. Got home tonight and found the
subject line above. Must be on the wrong list again.
Excuse me please,
john h
mkIII (Rocket deployed emergency parachute on my airplane, and T-10's
and T-7A's in the Army. Don't want to use any of them, any more.
Don't think I want to fly with one either.)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: Powered Parachute |
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| I will admit after going through the LSARM class for PPC I was much
| impressed with the technology, but not enough to want to fly one.
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| Rick
Rick:
You and all the rest of the parachute guys do not have to worry about
me crowding the sky attempting to fly a parachute.
I am a Kolb builder and flyer. Have no interest in parachutes, other
than emergency parachutes and how they relate to Kolb Aircraft.
That's why I became a member of the Kolb List.
john h
mkIII
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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