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Steve Boetto
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: Check out United States Patent: 7188804 |
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For those of you that were around a few years ago, Bryan Melborn and I had the crazy idea to build and fly our own version of an amphibious float. In less than 10 months we designed and flew the concept. I just found out this week that a U.S. Patent has been issued for the design. I would also like to mention that Norm Labhardt was our Test Pilot.
Steve Boetto
Firefly 007 on Floats
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: Check out United States Patent: 7188804 |
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Hi Steve,
I don’t know if you knew Ivor Jim Lee of Lakeland Ultralights. He did lots of experimenting with Kolbs on floats, particularly amphibious arrangements. He was killed in a flying accident when he became distracted from flying when an oil hose came loose He mentioned to me one time when we were flying his amphibious Mark-III at Conneaut Lake that he had unintentionally landed with gear down in the water and came to a very very quick water drenching stop – but he did not flip over. Jim’s retract designs had loooong landing gear that extended down from the cage and long enough to keep the Full Lotus floats a respectable distance above ground level. So there was a lot of tube and wheel to grip with water with. Anyway that was one aircraft that would survive a gear down landing. The Full Lotus floats had lots of buoyancy up front and this undoubtedly helped to keep the aircraft upright.
Congrats on the patient!
Dennis
Making a water landing with the gear erroneously extended, however, is a horse of a different color. Landing in the water with gear extended could destroy the aircraft and seriously injure or kill its occupants. The reason is that on initial contact during landing, the floats are supposed to skim across the water on plane like water skis. As more weight put on the floats, the floatplane is supposed to gradually slow down without capsizing, until settling into displacement, where the entire aircraft weight is supported by the buoyancy of the floats.
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Click here: United States Patent: 7188804
For those of you that were around a few years ago, Bryan Melborn and I had the crazy idea to build and fly our own version of an amphibious float. In less than 10 months we designed and flew the concept. I just found out this week that a U.S. Patent has been issued for the design. I would also like to mention that Norm Labhardt was our Test Pilot.
Steve Boetto
Firefly 007 on Floats
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: Check out United States Patent: 7188804 |
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I new jim lee he also had a design for retracting gear on a trike. I know a guy that fly,s a drifter he bolts wheels to a set of ful lotis floats and takes off on land then lands on water then un bolts them to do several water landings only to put them back on to take off in the water with the wheels bolted down to land on land agin at the end of the day. you can see him at sun fun this year getting ready for the lake parker fly inn ultralights will have there own day agin this year in the same spot but GA will be on the other side of the lake mal michigan
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Steve Boetto
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: Check out United States Patent: 7188804 |
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In a message dated 3/20/2007 9:57:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, flykolb(at)pa.net writes:
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I don’t know if you knew Ivor Jim Lee of Lakeland Ultralights. He did lots of experimenting with Kolbs on floats, particularly amphibious arrangements. He was killed in a flying accident when he became distracted from flying when an oil hose came loose |
Thank you Dennis,
No , I did not know Jim, However I believe the accident you are referring to may have occurred on the lake at
Jack Brown's Seaplane School. John Brown told me about a Kolb on floats that went down due to an oil line failure a few years ago. It is sad to hear of a plane going down due to a small failure. In Winter Haven if you have 500 ft of altitude you can land almost anywhere. (If you have floats that is)
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Steve Boetto
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: Check out United States Patent: 7188804 |
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Thanks Mal, look for Bryan an me at the Kolb Booth at SnF. We hang out there most of the time.
SteveB
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:50 am Post subject: Check out United States Patent: 7188804 |
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In a message dated 3/20/2007 5:44:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, N27SB(at)aol.com writes:
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For those of you that were around a few years ago, Bryan Melborn and I had the crazy idea to build and fly our own version of an amphibious float. In less than 10 months we designed and flew the concept. I just found out this week that a U.S. Patent has been issued for the design. I would also like to mention that Norm Labhardt was our Test Pilot.
Steve Boetto
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Wow!!..... 37 claims that made it through and 24 references.......phenomenal!! But it is well written as I even understood it.
I have a personal patent on an aerotoy that had 16 claims but only 2 made it through. I wrote it myself, but had to get a patent attorney to respond to the first rejection, by rewriting part ot it. $150 per hour for his time....whew!
George Randolph
Firestar driver from the Villages, Fl
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: Check out United States Patent: 7188804 |
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In a message dated 3/20/2007 10:57:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, flykolb(at)pa.net writes:
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Hi Steve,
I don’t know if you knew Ivor Jim Lee of Lakeland Ultralights. He did lots of experimenting with Kolbs on floats, particularly amphibious arrangements. He was killed in a flying accident when he became distracted from flying when an oil hose came loose He mentioned to me one time when we were flying his amphibious Mark-III at Conneaut Lake that he had unintentionally landed with gear down in the water and came to a very very quick water drenching stop – but he did not flip over. |
I knew Jim and his dad, Ivor, a fixture in plumbing in the Sharon, Penna area. I come from Sharon originally. That was a tragic accident.....speaking to "always fly the airplane".
George Randolph
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Steve Boetto
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: Check out United States Patent: 7188804 |
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In a message dated 3/21/2007 11:52:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, GeoR38(at)aol.com writes:
Quote: | Wow!!..... 37 claims that made it through and 24 references.......phenomenal!! But it is well written as I even understood it.
I have a personal patent on an aerotoy that had 16 claims but only 2 made it through. I wrote it myself, but had to get a patent attorney to respond to the first rejection, by rewriting part ot it. $150 per hour for his time....whew!
George Randolph
Firestar driver from the Villages, Fl
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Thanks George,
Sounds like you know what you are talking about. Actually there was originally 39 claims and only 2 were rejected first time up to bat. We did not try to get them but my Atty thought he could.
All of the credit here goes to my Patent Atty, Paul Rooy. He is a Pilot, Seaplane Instructor and Patent Attorney. He currently flies a Skysmasher (Cessna Skymaster).
Don't know if anything will come of this but the process was interesting.
Steve Boetto
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: Check out United States Patent: 7188804 |
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George,
By the way, if your scroll down to middle of the report and pull up the list of past patents there is some interesting reading. Names like Curtiss, Bellanca and Grumman.
The only thing that I regret is that I could not make reference to the Factory MKx that was the test bed.
Steve B
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:41 am Post subject: Check out United States Patent: 7188804 |
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In a message dated 3/21/2007 1:35:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, N27SB(at)aol.com writes:
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By the way, if your scroll down to middle of the report and pull up the list of past patents there is some interesting reading. Names like Curtiss, Bellanca and Grumman.
The only thing that I regret is that I could not make reference to the Factory MKx that was the test bed.
Steve B
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Is this because the Kolb is not patented?
George
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