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Hello all....
I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I can not find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could not make them come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post them again ??
Thank you in advance !!
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 154. hrs
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:09 am Post subject: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
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These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of who sent them. I apologize.
Rick Girard
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Hello all....
I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I can not find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could not make them come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post them again ??
Thank you in advance !!
chris ambrose
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:52 am Post subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
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Thank you Rick !
These were the ones....we be skiing this winter !! If there are any others out there you would be willing to share I would like to see them too !
Thanks !
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:36 am Post subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
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| Quote: | These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of who sent them. I apologize.
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I'll take credit for those plans. I made them in March of 2001 for my Firestar. These are uncut water skis. I got them new at Play-it-Again-Sports for $75. It's important the neoprene tubing is used so the clamps don't slide down the tapered gear leg. Use lacquer thinner on them before installing. Use safety wire on the clamps. Use carriage bolts. Hex bolts will be too much drag on the underside of the ski. Wooden skis must be waxed. Composite skis don't need wax. Some composite skis have rods embedded along the sides like these, so be careful when drilling (see pictures).
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ces308
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
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Hi Ralph !
Thank you for the pictures too ! I thought they where your plans ,but I wasn't sure ...When you set them up,do you keep the front up a ways?? That is do you load the bungie to lift the front of the skis??
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
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Ralph....do you think they need any kind of keel on the bottom??
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I have a set if water skiis that were disigned to be attached to the stockgear leg brackets. There are cables that keep the skiis from falling downless than 20-30 degrees and cables that keeps the skiis from riding up more than 30 degrees. The are loops in th cable that with the addition of a bungy will keep the skiies pointed up about 30 degrees in flight. The mount is designed to ride about 1/2 inch higher than pavement with the tails dragging. In deep snow the wheels drop down into the snow and the skii takes over
I can send photos. I never fllew the plne in winter so ther is no need to keep thm.
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I'll take credit for those plans. I made them in March of 2001 for my Firestar. These are uncut water skis. I got them new at Play-it Again-Sports for $75. It's important the neoprene tubing is used so the clamps don't slide down the tapered gear leg. Use lacquer thinner on them before installing. Use safety wire on the clamps. Use carriage bolts. Hex bolts will be too much drag on the underside of the ski. Wooden skis must be waxed. Composite skis don't need wax. Some composite skis have rods embedded along the sides like these, so be careful when drilling (see pictures).
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
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Rick,
Can you send me pictures of yours? ces308(at)ldaco.com .
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Ralph, Sorry about that, I'll rename the files so I don't forget. I found a brand new pair of water skis on Craig's List and the owner was an airplane guy who was willing to let them go for $45. After the new rudder and tail wheel, they're next up on the project list. Thanks again, Ralph.
Rick
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Hello all....
I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I can not find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could not make them come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post them again ??
Thank you in advance !!
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 154. hrs
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i am no expert here... but my 2 cents worth,,, i have never seen any pair of skis, water or snow that were not longer in the front than they are in the back,,,, usually by 10 inches or so..... that way, all elce being equal.. if you were to land in soft snow... the shorter back will sink into the snow deeper and keep the tips up. even more so than the curve in the ski.
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RickJust a suggestion -- but be SURE your skis can't flip down in flight; you wouldn't like what would happen. And on the ground, just about as bad.
In Alaska many pilots put in TWO steel cables (on each ski) to keep the tips from dropping. And try to avoid any sharp edges which can quickly trip the aircraft if any sideways motion occurs. Ever 'catch an edge' when skiing? Same thing. Not pleasant
Good luck, should be great fun
Russ K
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OK guys… been lurking here on this snow ski thingy… watching the lively exchanges of hot info…
…can’t stand it any more… I give up…
What is snow…?
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Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
Hello all....
I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I can not find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could not make them come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post them again ??
Thank you in advance !!
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 154. hrs
N327CS
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i am no expert here... but my 2 cents worth,,, i have never seen any pair of skis, water or snow that were not longer in the front than they are in the back,,,, usually by 10 inches or so..... that way, all elce being equal.. if you were to land in soft snow... the shorter back will sink into the snow deeper and keep the tips up. even more so than the curve in the ski.
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Chris,
Be really really careful that your Skis can not twist up or down on its axle in flight, this could cause a rolling moment that may be very difficult or impossible to control. Its great to do mods to our experimental aircraft, but also look at this as a license to kill yourself. Make sure you do a bunch of research before making any significant modification to your plane. Aviation is very unforgiving.
Mike
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
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| Quote: | Hi Ralph !
Thank you for the pictures too ! I thought they where your plans ,but I wasn't sure ...When you set them up,do you keep the front up a ways?? That is do you load the bungie to lift the front of the skis??
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Chris, the bungee cord must be strong to bring the tip of the ski up if snow weighs it down. The angle must not be too high. I put a standard patio brick underneath the ski tip and adjust the back limit cord so it is tight. These cords or cables are very important as the ski could tip up too far and cause so much drag that it would be hard to keep it in the air. If the ski is pointed down on landing, it would dig in and cause the aircraft to flip over. I have flown many years with this setup, but it requires everything to be in place before flight. The long skis are better in deep snow (more surface area to ride on). I have taken off and landed in 3 feet of snow with these. No bottom hardware such as a rudder is needed as the aircraft can turn just fine without it. I took this hardware off when I got the skis. By leaving the water skis long, the attached limit cords are long and will keep the skis more stable. If you have short skis with this setup, it can be dangerous as I have witnessed a guy flip upside down on landing as the shortened skis also flipped upside down while he was in the air. The skis wound around the gear leg. Be careful. The limit cords and long skis are the way to go.
I change from wheels to skis and back again during the winter (see pic).
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Beauford --
It's like someone spilled a gazillion snowcones all over your field and runway... but without the syrup.
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Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
Hello all....
I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I can not find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could not make them come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post them again ??
Thank you in advance !!
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 154. hrs
N327CS
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i am no expert here... but my 2 cents worth,,, i have never seen any pair of skis, water or snow that were not longer in the front than they are in the back,,,, usually by 10 inches or so..... that way, all elce being equal.. if you were to land in soft snow... the shorter back will sink into the snow deeper and keep the tips up. even more so than the curve in the ski.
boyd young
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Beauford'snow' is sorta thin ice. Doesn't last as long in your glass.
But it does look pretty on a Kolb
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Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
Hello all....
I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I can not find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could not make them come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post them again ??
Thank you in advance !!
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 154. hrs
N327CS
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i am no expert here... but my 2 cents worth,,, i have never seen any pair of skis, water or snow that were not longer in the front than they are in the back,,,, usually by 10 inches or so..... that way, all elce being equal.. if you were to land in soft snow... the shorter back will sink into the snow deeper and keep the tips up. even more so than the curve in the ski.
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Ralph,
The deepest snow I will be in is no more that a 6 inch drift across the patted down snowmobile track on the lake....I was on the lake last year with wheel,but it was those little drifts that worried me...I will post pix when they are finished and on...
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