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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

Just wondering if there is actually any one out there who will admit to

having a big problem with reading the little bit of code that is in some of

the posts?  If I had a big problem with it I wouldn't let on.



Noel

Before I forget  do not archive

BTW I also changed the subject Etc.Etc.

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Noel Loveys
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

dosmythe(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

I have a problem with it and don't mind admitting it.  I also have a problem 

with you submitting post after post aft post on every subject matter that 

hits the list. Look at what you just posted, it says nothing, provided no 

useful information and is about to drive me away.   This Kitfox email list 

has gone to crap.  As I've said before, it has turned into a cheap CHAT 

channel.  Why can't you and a few others just report fact and leave the CHAT 

crap on the side.  As you can tell, I'm Pissed and the Admin folks need to 

start pulling the plug on some members.



Don Smythe



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eskflyer(at)lvcisp.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

Im am putting myself on the hatchet block. Where in the heck is everyones 

HUMOR . Is life so damn shitty for some of you to not realize that a little 

humor goes a long way . and if you do not really like what others have to 

say then use the darn delete  button . I do believe this country is founded 

on letting people say what we want even if we agree to disagree. and letting 

the other party know what we think about there opinions . THIS IS CALLED 

FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

I do not believe anyone should be banned or whupped up on  to bad including 

Steve<the controversy continues about E/SLA weight limits  lol . or ME heck 

I complain about alot of things . Or even DAVE the Crazy Canadian who makes 

us laugh with his Vid's . Come on guys lighten up and enjoy life . Cant we 

all agree to disagree and heck lets all drink to this one . If the moderator 

or someone else want's to ban me from postin to this list then so be it . 

Just remember that any info pertinent or not is valuable to someone . And 

one day you may be looking for that info .

So take a chill drink a few brews and relax get laid or something to loosen 

up and get over it .



I love the list and the info provided but damn the humor is lacking and with 

all the crap we have to deal with in our society where else can some  of us 

guys go that fly Avids and Kitfoxes or who cares what else kind of machine , 

and enjoy it and be able to laugh at our mistakes and to learn at the same 

time .



Nuff said Here I hope I'm still on here tomorrow



John Perry

Kitfox 2 N718PD



ARCHIVE THIS

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akflyer
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic

does anyone else want to start a forum, where we can talk about these killer planes and enjoy ourselves?  I know the old buggers here provide alot of great info, and some were the founding fathers.. but holy crap.. the last time I saw so many old people get pissed over nothing was at a damn BINGO hall... 



I like to enjoy life, and I dont mind admitting it!



let me know if anyone want to have fun and still trade info and I will start a new forum

fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.ne
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

Best idea I've heard yet.

Deke

do not archive



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rdmac(at)swbell.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:01 am Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

Leni,

	I'll second that. Certain people with certain personalities can just

get pissed at the least little old thing. I say "don't sweat the small

stuff" have you not watched the news lately or picked up a newspaper. If you

read something you don't like or agree with, do what I do, highlight and hit

shift+delete. OK I'll shut up now.



	Roger Mac

	please...DO NOT ARCHIVE.....



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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:22 am Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

I am a bit confused here.  It seems quite OK for the chatty ones to do and 

say what they want in the list and almost demand to be respected for it but 

it is quite NOT OK for others to do and say what they expect with the list. 

And this despite the fact that their comments are well within the intents of 

the list guidelines.



I received a note last evening from a long time member and  valuable 

contributor.  The essence of his post was that it has been successful for a 

long time and why risk the continued success with a new list direction.



There have been a couple of rebellions in the past that I am aware of where 

a new list was started more in keeping with what some thought a forum should 

be.  The Lazair Kitfox forum was the latest.  It disappeared last Summer I 

presume, according to their web page. None have lasted more than a couple of 

years.



I would certainly hope that a bit more respect could be shown to some of the 

veterans when all they are doing is expressing opinions.  Why is it OK for 

one faction to become "P**** and the other side it is some sort of age 

related dementia.  In fact I can't remember a single incidence of irritation 

from one of the senior members of the list being punctuated by gutter talk.



Lowell

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84KF
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic

"Respect is the objective, unbiased consideration and regard for the rights, values, beliefs and property of all people. Kant's categorical imperative as well as what is commonly understood of being a gentleman incorporate the concept of respect." 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect



Don't confuse respect due with a superiority complex. 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex



"Behaviors related to this mechanism may include an exaggeratedly positive opinion of one’s worth and abilities, unrealistically high expectations in goals and achievements for oneself and others, vanity, extravagant style in dressing (with intention of drawing attention), pride, sentimentalism and affected exaltation, snobbism, a tendency to discredit other’s opinions, forcefulness aimed at dominating those considered as weaker or less important, credulity, and others."



Earn it, don't demand it. If it's not to late....

steve

akflyer
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic

hmmm.. You may be partially correct.. and while SOMEONE may not have posted it on the "list" they were not bashfull about sending out a kick in the nutts email moaning about how the list has been taken over by KF "Flyers" and not "Builders".



Well what the heck.. I will give it a shot.. Give me a few days and 

www.avidfoxflyers.com will be up and running.



I still plan on reading this forum everyday, but I will try to limit my posts on this site so the all knowing superduper way darn smarter than me wont have to take a nitro pill.



If you want to be able to have a life and "chat away" drop by the "other site"



Deke.. dont break your arm patting yourself on the back for running off another one...



Matt.. glad I could donate to help you pay the bills..

MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:15 am Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

Any time you have 500 people participating in a group activity, such 

as discussing Kitfox and Avid aircraft, you will have differences in 

opinion.  More fundamentally, you will also have different thoughts 

on what the purpose of the group is, too.



Is this list a chat room?  Is it a technical forum for aircraft 

builders?  Is it social hour for people who have no other friends? 

It's all of the above and more.  Do the various members have 

different needs?  Different technical abilities?  Different means of 

connecting to the group?  Absolutely.



To make a group like this successful for as long as it has been in 

existence requires a little effort on the part of its members. 

Presumably, we are all here because we enjoy communicating with the 

group.  Is it so difficult to show a little consideration for the 

other people on the list?



It's not much trouble to make sure your subject line has something to 

do with your comments.  It's not much trouble to add something like 

"fluff" to a subject line to warn those with more technical tastes 

that they can skip that message.  It's not much trouble to keep your 

attachments to a reasonable size since not everyone has broadband 

internet access.  It's not too much trouble to add "d* not archive" 

to a message that has no relevance to future readers.  It's not much 

trouble to send text-only messages so that everyone can read them.



This isn't about freedom of speech.  We are all guests here at the 

pleasure of the list management.  Nobody here has any rights here 

except for Matt Dralle who owns the list servers.  It's about acting 

like civilized human beings.  It's about cutting the other guy a 

little slack.



It's about realizing that you're not the only one on the list.



Mike G.

N728KF

occom

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 404

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

I wouldn't worry about it Lowell. I was taken to task for some minor thing a 

few months back. I don't recall by who, I sure he does. He said he was 

enforcing the "rules" and was a friend of Deke's and he was quite upset when 

I was unimpressed. It only took a minute to discover that he was not above 

participating in off topic "chatter" and neither is the current complainant 

as a short search in  the archives will discover.

The best thing to do is ignore it, try to respect the rules without going 

nuts about it and try to help each other. Trying to force other people to 

think the way you want them to is a stupid endeavor.



Do not archive

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clemwehner(at)sbcglobal.n
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

Leni,



Please let us know when the new list www.avidfoxflyers.com is up and

running. I'll be pleased to join you there.



Clem 



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akflyer
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic

 	  clemwehner(at)sbcglobal.n wrote: 	
		  Leni,



Please let us know when the new list www.avidfoxflyers.com is up and

running. I'll be pleased to join you there.



Clem 



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Its up and started.. just the begining I will be spening lots of time tweaking and tuning, but for now you can call a spade a spade if you want to...

d(at)cfisher.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

Lowell,



I think that alot should not revolve around  on who is a senoir member or 

whatever.   You have condoned me for making hundreds of posts in the past 

and I just shrug it off.



But we must all go with the times and use each other's help to help each 

other out.  I feel that I have in the past gon out of my way to help out 

others as well.   This is a information sharing list,. forum or whatever ? 

If you think otherwise please let us know.



There is life east of the rockies you know and pilots with over 25000 hours 

as well .



Everyone has opinions and some have a vested interest  but we all fly 

Kitfoxes and that is  the keyword "KITFOX "

Dave

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n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 403

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic

Oh, this is too good to pass up. I have to post a reply to this!



I once flamed Deke online, emailed everybody on the list, started an

enormous flame war, started a new list and recruited a ton of list

members to the new group. Left, resigned never to come back.



Why did I come back ..?



Since then I have got married, had kids, now I deal with two kids both

less than four years old, and a wife who's often grumpy from keeping 

the kids in line. The most sleep I've had in the past almost 4 years is

about almost 6 hours. List stuff, is simply not a big deal in my life.



Also, I decided I didn't really hate "(names witheld)" so much after all. 



This list is a refreshing breath of fresh air in my day! 



The worst of the worst of the worst online, can't you just simply click

delete? (here, I'll post a new quote - "Morons can't click delete")



Even if you start a new, and successfull list elsewhere, it is merely a

matter of time, until you - become the list oldtimer over there, with

your own grumpy, and elitist attitude who the newbies on the list

are flaming as a no-it-all. 



I know, I've done that myself. That's why I'm staying here.



Regards,

Jeff Hays

cathyboone(at)softcom.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

BIG PROBLEMO? No, but it takes a lot of concentration (time) to figure out 

exactly what you are trying to say.  After reading the "give and take" on 

some of the issues, "exactly" is a big deal and time is a precious comodity 

for some of us.

You might want to consider the concept of "first impressions" in the quality 

of communications. If something of importance is being said, how it is said 

can be just as important to the receiver of the message relating to its 

perceived value and its source.  The natural tendency of a human being is to 

think "if it looks like garbage, it probably is garbage." There is an old 

saying in the computer industry, "garbage in-garbage out." There is another 

saying in aircraft maintenance, "if it looks good (i.e. welds, machined 

parts, etc.), it probably is good." The opposite is true also. If I apply 

the above to communications about technical issues through the email, then 

if the message looks like garbage it could very well be garbage and/or the 

source of it is a producer of garbage. So why should I waste my time trying 

to read it? If it is considered important enough by the sender to 

communicate with us, please make it look like it is important enough to 

read. If the fix, is simple, why not fix it?

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Kitfoxv(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

 	  Quote: 	
		   "if the message looks like garbage it could very well be garbage and/or the 

 source of it is a producer of garbage. "


	


what's your point? 

steve

cathyboone(at)softcom.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

My point-- if the message is difficult to read because a computer program 

changes the typed figure/letters into another form and then the message 

literally looks like the message sender had his fingers on the wrong keys, 

then the first impression is that the message is garbage or at least not 

quickly deciphered or maybe not worth the effort to decipher. If the sender 

has a quick fix available, why not use it?

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Kitfoxv(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

You also have the option to go to the original site of the post and read it  in plain language, exactly as posted. The poster is not sending you e-mail, the server is. If that facility is not capable of sending accurate copies, why do YOU use it .(e-mail) ..and  why do you rag on the original writer?   

   I repeat...the writer\poster is not sending it to your personal e-mail box. Get it?? Duh...?

   You still didn't explain your crude, rude and statement.....   



    "if the message looks like garbage it could very well be garbage and/or the 

source of it is a producer of garbage."



You imply the writer is garbage.

MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: Source code in posts - Off topic

Kitfoxv(at)comcast.net sez:



 	  Quote: 	
		  I repeat...the writer\poster is not sending it to your personal e-mail box.

Get it?? Duh...?


	


You are the one that doesn't get it, Steve.  Every time an e-mail is 

sent to the list server OR a message is posted on the web site, you 

are absolutely sending an e-mail to the personal e-mail box of every 

member of this list.  You have no more right to demand that readers 

use the web site than they have to demand that you use only e-mail.



It is this in-your-face attitude that keeps getting you thrown off 

this list.  Why do you insist on treating others as though they are 

idiots?  If the poster were standing in front of you would you speak 

to him that way?  You complain about others being rude, yet your 

behavior is by far the most egregious.



Mike G.

N728KF

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