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John H Murphy
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Location: Henderson, NV
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 Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? |
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If you buy a kit now and do not complete it by Jan. 08 what is the status of getting it registered? I was thinking of ordering a Kolbra. I would hate to think that I have to complete by end of the year to qualify under the Experimental LSA category.
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grabo172
Joined: 10 Oct 2006
Posts: 32
Location: Beaver, OH
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? |
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If you build it and it meets the 51% rule but don't get it done by Jan 08, you can register it as Experimental Amature Built (E-AB)... As the builder, it'll make no difference to you.
Where it'll make a slight (and I mean slight) difference is if you ever sell it, the new owner can only have the annual condition inspection done by an A&P or you. They can still do all their own maintenance, just not the inspection.
Where that Jan 08 rule will be the deciding factor whether a plane becones a lawn orniment or not is all the already built and flying Fat Ultralights...
Hope that helps! Go Build a Kolb!
-Erik
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John Williamson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Arlington, TX
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? |
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You can not buy a Kit of anything from TNK and register it as E-LSA.
They are not offering a kit in E-LSA form.
E-LSA right now is only for the transitioning ultralights and illegal/unregistered aircraft and just two or three Kits that manufacurers are offering as E-LSA Kits.
If you buy a kit, you have no deadline because you will build it as Experimental-Amateur Built.
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Paul Petty
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 226
Location: Mississippi
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? |
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John W,
Our Kolbra's and the mark's cant be registered as E-LSA? Not that I plan to do such but out of curiousity, what would one have to do to register a Kolb as E-LSA? Is this something an individual can do or does it require certification action between TNK and the FAA?
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Arty Trost
Joined: 25 May 2006
Posts: 205
Location: Sandy, Oregon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? |
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After Jan. 31, 2008, in order to sell an E-LSA kit,
the manufacturer must have a certified LSA and that is
what they use to get approval to make E-LSA kits. No
LSA - no E-LSA kits after 1-31-08. Since the kit you
now have - or might buy in the next few months -
doesn't have an LSA prototype, your only option is to
either get it finished and registered E-LSA before the
deadline, or build it under the Amateur-built
catagory. As John says, then there is no deadline.
The downside to Amateur-built is that while you, as
builder, can do your annual yourself, any future
owners will not be able to do it themselves.
Arty Trost
--- John Williamson <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com> wrote:
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<kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
You can not buy a Kit of anything from TNK and
register it as E-LSA.
They are not offering a kit in E-LSA form.
E-LSA right now is only for the transitioning
ultralights and illegal/unregistered aircraft and
just two or three Kits that manufacurers are
offering as E-LSA Kits.
If you buy a kit, you have no deadline because you
will build it as Experimental-Amateur Built.
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
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Steve Boetto
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? |
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In a message dated 3/27/2007 10:14:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com writes:
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The downside to Amateur-built is that while you, as
builder, can do your annual yourself, any future
owners will not be able to do it themselves.
Arty Trost |
Just a thought here, But
If you sell an amateur built and the new owner must use an A&P doesn't that help in limiting the sellers future liability?
Steve
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Arty Trost
Joined: 25 May 2006
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Location: Sandy, Oregon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:31 am Post subject: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? |
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No. The new owner will almost certainly be flying it
before the next annual.
AND - would you want to pay a lawyer to defend
yourself - even if you eventually win?
There's been a lot written (on this list I think, as
well as elsewhere) that pulling off the engine or the
wings and selling the plane as "unflyable as sold" is
a biggie to help avoid liability. I've even seen
boiler plate language for the sales contract, so the
buyer is signing that s/he realizes that they're
buying parts, not a flying machine. But, I'm NOT a
lawyer . Check with EAA - I think they have the info.
Arty Trost
--- N27SB(at)aol.com wrote:
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Just a thought here, But
If you sell an amateur built and the new owner must
use an A&P doesn't that
help in limiting the sellers future liability?
Steve
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eagle1(at)commspeed.net
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: Building a kit and getting it N numbered before Jan 08? |
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Have them sign a statement that says " This machine will kill you"and I
understand this.
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