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dan(at)rdan.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: Build time, include helpers ?

When I get assistant, bucking rivets ect, on the plane .

  Do I include their time also in the build time ?

   

  Thanks,

  Dan

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Dick Sipp

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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Location: Hope, MI

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: Build time, include helpers ?

Dan,



I don't know of any official requirement to record build time at all.  A 

"builder's log" is usually used as proof that an individual is the actual 

builder and could take just about any form you like.  As to recording 

assistant time I would think it's your choice.



Dick Sipp



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bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.n
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: Build time, include helpers ?

I don't believe thee's any requirement anywhere regarding logging build time

so I think it's up to you. Personally, I include build time of any helpers I

have in the total, but that's just me. It was confusing me for awhile when

I'd look at other people's sites where they keep track of build time and at

some point they were a lot fasater than me. Upon review, it became obvious

why (1) they had lots of help whose time wasn't being recorded and (2) I'm

America's slowest homebuilder. (g)



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PFolbrecht(at)starkinvest
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: Build time, include helpers ?

FWIW, I haven't been.  So far, everything I've had help with I *could*

do myself, though it'd be considerably more ackward in some cases

(bucking the HS middle nose ribs, for example).



Paul



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dan.beadle(at)inclinesoft
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: Build time, include helpers ?

SO far, I have been able to buck everything myself.  There are only a couple

places where I really needed an assistant - the biggest being supporting the

skins during dimpling (and, I know:  I could have rearranged my bench to

support them for single person operation).



As for me, when I do have the help of an assistant, I include the time.  I

figure we go 50% faster with two people but make 80% fewer mistakes.  Bottom

line, I am about done with the empennage at 160 hours (including helpers).

Help accounted for about 30-40 hours of that time.



Dan

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aldaniels(at)fmtc.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: Build time, include helpers ?

I have gone the other way. I just take a picture once every few weeks if 

something neat gets finished and don't even care about hours. It is a 

good idea to have you in the picture with the part to prove that you 

were there every now and then. Its also fun to look back on years later 

and reflect on the fun.  I have no idea how many hours it took to finish 

the last plane and don't care, and neither does the FAA or the DAR. They 

just want to know that you built it and a few pictures, bill of sale for 

the kit and some parts receipts is all they care about.



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dwight(at)openweave.org
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: Build time, include helpers ?

No no no ... *I* am America's slowest homebuilder. Really.  



But for me I decided long ago that I wouldn't/couldn't keep up with 'helper

time' so all I do is log "clock time" for that time spent actually working

on airplane-related-stuff in the shop. I do not log "head scratching" time

unless it is spent in the shop bent over actually looking at and/or fiddling

with parts. I do think this under-states the amount of time I have spent on

the plane, but it works for me and I'm sticking with it.



I tell friends/family that the only tine you should REALLY log is that time

spent physically *bending* *over*.  If your back doesn't hurt, then you are

not actually *doing* anything. (A joke, of course, but ..... )



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On Fri Feb  3 09:58:26 2006, Bob Collins wrote :

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		  I don't believe thee's any requirement anywhere regarding logging build time

so I think it's up to you. Personally, I include build time of any helpers I

have in the total, but that's just me. It was confusing me for awhile when

I'd look at other people's sites where they keep track of build time and at

some point they were a lot fasater than me. Upon review, it became obvious

why (1) they had lots of help whose time wasn't being recorded and (2) I'm

America's slowest homebuilder. (g)

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Dale Ensing

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Location: Aero Plantation Weddington NC

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: Build time, include helpers ?

When a kit airplane is reviewed by the FAA for compliance to the 51 percent rule, it is not building time that qualifies it. It is the task to complete the airplane. That is why credit is given for building the ribs (for example) when only one rib is fabricated by the "builder" of the airplane.

Dale Ensing

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