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a.s.elliott(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: HID lights

I don't know if your idea to "roll your own" is for fun, but I recently  purchased a pair of Xenarc X1010 fog/driving lights from suvlights.com.   These use D1S bulbs.  They come with the diffuser installed for fogs, but  this can be easily removed (instructions on the web site) to make one fog and  one driving light.  They are available in both 4250K and 5400K colors as  you like.  They come set up for wireless remote switching, but can be wired  for regular switches if you like.  All in all, a fiarly nice set up.   Cost is only $348 for a pair with all the wiring, etc.

  

 I haven't installed them yet, but plan is for a leading edge cut-out and  plexiglass window.  These lights are astoundingly bright if you are used to  4509's!

  

 FWIW,

 Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ

N601GE (reserved)

601XL/TD/QB, Corvair,  building...

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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: HID lights

Can these lights be wired to operate independently?  I.e., turn on one at a time using separate switches?

 Best Regards,



Steve 

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		  I don't know if your idea to "roll your own" is for fun, but I recently purchased a pair of Xenarc X1010 fog/driving lights from suvlights.com.  These use D1S bulbs.  They come with the diffuser installed for fogs, but this can be easily removed (instructions on the web site) to make one fog and one driving light.  They are available in both 4250K and 5400K colors as you like.  They come set up for wireless remote switching, but can be wired for regular switches if you like.  All in all, a fiarly nice set up.  Cost is only $348 for a pair with all the wiring, etc.

 

I haven't installed them yet, but plan is for a leading edge cut-out and plexiglass window.  These lights are astoundingly bright if you are used to 4509's!

 

FWIW,

Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ

N601GE (reserved)

601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...

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rtitsworth

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 76
Location: Detroit, Mi

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: HID lights

Do your HID lights from SUVLights.com include any voltage specs?  I need 24-28V.  Most auto lights are of course 12V.  However, rumor has it that some/many HID ballasts work over a wide voltage range (i.e. 12-30V).  Just curious.  I’d buy the same ones you have if they’d work with 24-28V.  

Rick  

         

  

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Andrew Elliott

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I don't know if your idea to "roll your own" is for fun, but I recently purchased a pair of Xenarc X1010 fog/driving lights from suvlights.com.  These use D1S bulbs.  They come with the diffuser installed for fogs, but this can be easily removed (instructions on the web site) to make one fog and one driving light.  They are available in both 4250K and 5400K colors as you like.  They come set up for wireless remote switching, but can be wired for regular switches if you like.  All in all, a fiarly nice set up.  Cost is only $348 for a pair with all the wiring, etc.  

    

   

    

I haven't installed them yet, but plan is for a leading edge cut-out and plexiglass window.  These lights are astoundingly bright if you are used to 4509's!  

    

   

    

FWIW,  

    

Andy Elliott, Mesa,  AZ

 N601GE (reserved)

 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...  

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aadamson(at)highrf.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: HID lights

Rick,

  

 I know exactly what you need... Did you get by the  Preciseflight booth at SNF, they have 12 and 24v HID's.  In fact, in the  case of the Legacy, they even make ones that fit exactly in the wing  mount.  Mine are on the way ...  Now, they aren't cheap like Auto  ones, but I wanted 24V and have found them only a handful of  places...

  

 I did get the Show special at least...

  

 Alan



   From:  owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  rtitsworth

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:28 PM

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Do your HID lights from  SUVLights.com include any voltage specs?  I need 24-28V.  Most auto  lights are of course 12V.  However, rumor has it that some/many HID  ballasts work over a wide voltage range (i.e. 12-30V).  Just curious.   I’d buy the same ones you have if they’d work with  24-28V. 

Rick 

     

 

From:  owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com]  On Behalf Of Dr. Andrew  Elliott

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:22 AM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: HID  lights

 

   

I don't know if your idea to "roll your own" is for fun,  but I recently purchased a pair of Xenarc X1010 fog/driving lights from  suvlights.com.  These use D1S bulbs.  They come with the diffuser  installed for fogs, but this can be easily removed (instructions on the web  site) to make one fog and one driving light.  They are available in both  4250K and 5400K colors as you like.  They come set up for wireless remote  switching, but can be wired for regular switches if you like.  All in all,  a fiarly nice set up.  Cost is only $348 for a pair with all the wiring,  etc.

  

 

  

I haven't installed them yet, but plan is for a leading  edge cut-out and plexiglass window.  These lights are astoundingly bright  if you are used to 4509's!

  

 

  

FWIW,

  

Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ

N601GE (reserved)

601XL/TD/QB,  Corvair, building...

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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: HID lights

I remember that someone (maybe more than one) opted to use the Hella Micro DE HID Driving lights for their aircraft.  I was wondering if you could give us some feedback on how that lighting system has worked for you.  Do they output enough light to be effective?

See:  http://www.rallylights.com/hella/Micro_DE.asp

 Best Regards,



Steve 

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robh(at)hyperion-ef.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: HID lights

According to the Hella web site   

http://www.hella.com/produktion/HellaUSA/WebSite/Channels/Consumers/Technology/DE/DE.jsp  

the DE type of lamp assembly has an elliptical reflector.  A proper landing light would use a parabolic reflector.  The significant difference is where the lamp’s image, or hot spot, is focussed.    

   

An ellipsoidal reflector has a pair of foci, with the lamp’s hot spot located at the first focus, and the second focus somewhere in front of the reflector, how far in front is a property of the elliptical curve chosen for the reflector. At any distance beyond the second focus the beam diverges at an angle determined by the ellipsoidal curve.  Hella does not specify where the second focus is located but does say that the assembly is suitable for automotive low beams or fog lights.  That sounds more like a taxi light to me.  

   

A paraboloid can be considered as a special case of an ellipsoid, with the second focus at infinity.  In practice this simply means that the beam projected from the lamp assembly does not converge at any point but is more or less a “pencil beam” out to infinity.  Think: searchlight.  Since  there are imperfections in the optical system the beam in fact diverges slightly making the paraboloid suitable for illuminating the width of the runway.  The divergance of the paraboloidal system is usually less than of the ellipsoidal system beyond its second focus.  The importance of divergance is in how much light intensity is projected to where you want it.  The broader the beam the dimmer the spot illuminated.  

   

While Hella identifies the Micro DE Xenon as usiong a true xenon lamp, the description at rallylights.com claims the lamp’s “light is near the color of daylight, about 4000 degrees (sic) K.“   The color temperature of daylight and xenon lamps is 6000K, and tungstem lamps are around 3200K so either the folks at rallylights.com are selling tungsten halogen at the price of xenon or they just made a mistake.  Here’s where “trust but verify” is appropriate if buying from these folks.  

   

     

Best regards,  

   

Rob Housman  

Europa XS Tri-Gear  

S/N A070  

Airframe complete  

  

       

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas

 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:44 AM

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: HID lights  

  

  

   

I remember that someone (maybe more than one) opted to use the Hella Micro DE HID Driving lights for their aircraft.  I was wondering if you could give us some feedback on how that lighting system has worked for you.  Do they output enough light to be effective?    

   

    

See:  http://www.rallylights.com/hella/Micro_DE.asp    



 

     

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Steve   

  

  

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bicyclop(at)pacbell.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: HID lights

I think this is the same system that Wick’s is selling for $599.  

   

Pax,  

   

Ed Holyoke  

   

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matronics(at)rtist.nl
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: HID lights

Please note that there's two different Micro-DE  versions. One is just an ordinary lamp, the other is Xenon. We have integrated the Xenon-DE in our Rans S6S cowl. Pictures  available as soon as the paintjob is ready. I can tell you that the light  is just as white as any other Xenon car headlight.

  

 http://www.hella.com/produktion/HellaPortal/WebSite/Internet_usa/ProductsServices/Performance_Lighting/Micro_DE/Micro_DE.jsp

  

  

 Rob

  

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robh(at)hyperion-ef.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:19 am Post subject: HID lights

That certainly confirms that the product is indeed xenon, and that the web site just shows the wrong color temperature for the product.  

   

     

Best regards,  

   

Rob Housman  

Europa XS Tri-Gear  

S/N A070  

Airframe complete  

  

       

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Turk

 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:37 AM

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

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Please note that there's two different Micro-DE versions. One is just an ordinary lamp, the other is Xenon. We have integrated the Xenon-DE in our Rans S6S cowl. Pictures available as soon as the paintjob is ready. I can tell you that the light is just as white as any other Xenon car headlight.  

    

   

    

http://www.hella.com/produktion/HellaPortal/WebSite/Internet_usa/ProductsServices/Performance_Lighting/Micro_DE/Micro_DE.jsp  

    

   

    

   

    

Rob  

    

   

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:55 PM  

    

Subject: RE: Re: HID lights  

    

   

  

According to the Hella web site   

http://www.hella.com/produktion/HellaUSA/WebSite/Channels/Consumers/Technology/DE/DE.jsp  

the DE type of lamp assembly has an elliptical reflector.  A proper landing light would use a parabolic reflector.  The significant difference is where the lamp’s image, or hot spot, is focussed.    

   

An ellipsoidal reflector has a pair of foci, with the lamp’s hot spot located at the first focus, and the second focus somewhere in front of the reflector, how far in front is a property of the elliptical curve chosen for the reflector. At any distance beyond the second focus the beam diverges at an angle determined by the ellipsoidal curve.  Hella does not specify where the second focus is located but does say that the assembly is suitable for automotive low beams or fog lights.  That sounds more like a taxi light to me.  

   

A paraboloid can be considered as a special case of an ellipsoid, with the second focus at infinity.  In practice this simply means that the beam projected from the lamp assembly does not converge at any point but is more or less a “pencil beam” out to infinity.  Think: searchlight.  Since  there are imperfections in the optical system the beam in fact diverges slightly making the paraboloid suitable for illuminating the width of the runway.  The divergance of the paraboloidal system is usually less than of the ellipsoidal system beyond its second focus.  The importance of divergance is in how much light intensity is projected to where you want it.  The broader the beam the dimmer the spot illuminated.  

   

While Hella identifies the Micro DE Xenon as usiong a true xenon lamp, the description at rallylights.com claims the lamp’s “light is near the color of daylight, about 4000 degrees (sic) K.“   The color temperature of daylight and xenon lamps is 6000K, and tungstem lamps are around 3200K so either the folks at rallylights.com are selling tungsten halogen at the price of xenon or they just made a mistake.  Here’s where “trust but verify” is appropriate if buying from these folks.  

   

     

Best regards,  

   

Rob Housman  

Europa XS Tri-Gear  

S/N A070  

Airframe complete  

  

       

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas

 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:44 AM

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: HID lights  

  

  

   

I remember that someone (maybe more than one) opted to use the Hella Micro DE HID Driving lights for their aircraft.  I was wondering if you could give us some feedback on how that lighting system has worked for you.  Do they output enough light to be effective?    

   

    

See:  http://www.rallylights.com/hella/Micro_DE.asp    

     

Best Regards,  

    

   

    

Steve   

  

  

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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject: HID lights

Absolutely. They are independent systems. Regarding the voltage, maybe 

Andy could give the voltage specs from the ballast, since many I have 

seen can accommodate a range above 24 volts. Andy - do you know the beam 

dispersion with and without the fog lens?? The website didn't specify.

Carl

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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: HID lights

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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: HID lights

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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: HID lights

Rob,



How effective is the light output?  Did you focus them independently  

for Landing & taxi?



Best Regards,



Steve Thomas

SteveT.Net

805-569-0336



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On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:37 AM, Rob Turk wrote:



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		   Please note that there's two different Micro-DE versions. One is  

 just an ordinary lamp, the other is Xenon. We have integrated the  

 Xenon-DE in our Rans S6S cowl. Pictures available as soon as the  

 paintjob is ready. I can tell you that the light is just as white  

 as any other Xenon car headlight.




	




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