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jareds(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: Puking Oil Reservoir

I've been chasing a ghostly 582 oil leak for quite some time now and i think i've finally narrowed it down to the tiny oil reservoir on the 582.  It holds only a few ounces and never made sense why they didnt feed from the big tank but none the less it has a tiny hole in the cap  to allow air i presume and it seems as though it is puking oil out of that tiny hole.  

I'm guessing that this should not be happening and am wondering if anyone else has ever experienced this?



Jared

dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: Puking Oil Reservoir

Jared,

    You could simply use the large tank to feed both but, the small tanks is 

there to allow you to measure any usage of oil and also to see if any water 

starts to appear.  Either would indicate a rotary valve seal leaking 

problem.  Does the little tanks always indicate the exact same level? 

Probably not since it's blowing out.  Is there any water in the oil?



Don Smythe

Classic IV w/582

Newport News, Va.



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jareds(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: Puking Oil Reservoir

Hi Don,



The amount decreases (1/4 container per hour) and doesnt appear to have water in.  Will look a little closer.  I am guessing that these feeder lines are for the rotary valve shaft?



I"ve attached a length of clear tube to the top of the cover over the little hole to see if it still shoots it out the top or to get a better idea of whats going on.

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		  From: Don Smythe <dosmythe(at)cox.net>

Date: 2007/04/30 Mon PM 12:27:23 CDT

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Puking Oil Reservoir


	


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Jared,

    You could simply use the large tank to feed both but, the small tanks is 

there to allow you to measure any usage of oil and also to see if any water 

starts to appear.  Either would indicate a rotary valve seal leaking 

problem.  Does the little tanks always indicate the exact same level? 

Probably not since it's blowing out.  Is there any water in the oil?



Don Smythe

Classic IV w/582

Newport News, Va.



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dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: Puking Oil Reservoir

Jared,

    I've never had a failure but, sounds like your rotary valve is shot? 

Mine uses no oil and will actually increase in level about 1/8" when hot 

then back down when cool.



Don Smythe

Classic IV w/582

Newport News, Va.

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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: Puking Oil Reservoir

Just a little note Jared... 



Coolant in  the RV oil won't look like little bubbles of clear stuff like water in  gas.  With the agitation of the RV the oil will appear milky when there is  water in it.  If you are having problems with oil upchucking out of the RV  reservoir bottle than I agree with the idea that you have a RV seal  problem.



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jareds(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: Puking Oil Reservoir

New engine rebuild with about 60 hrs on it but over the winter it sat during all our snow and cold.



 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Don Smythe <dosmythe(at)cox.net>

Date: 2007/04/30 Mon PM 05:25:50 CDT

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Puking Oil Reservoir


	


[quote]



Jared,

    I've never had a failure but, sounds like your rotary valve is shot? 

Mine uses no oil and will actually increase in level about 1/8" when hot 

then back down when cool.



Don Smythe

Classic IV w/582

Newport News, Va.

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: Puking Oil Reservoir

At 03:01 PM 4/30/2007, you wrote:

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		  The amount decreases (1/4 container per hour) and doesnt appear to 

have water in.  Will look a little closer.  I am guessing that these 

feeder lines are for the rotary valve shaft?


	


Since you're showing leakage outside the engine I don't think you 

have a rotary valve problem. (Maybe I should say that if the leakage 

is on the tank side you don't have a rotary valve problem. If it's on 

the water pump side, maybe your inner rotary valve seal is leaking.) 

I had one of these tanks fail in the seam between the two tubes. It 

was an incredibly small crack that leaked slowly. It was caused by a 

thin seam during the tank's fabrication. I cleaned the tank and could 

see a thin spot at the seam. I used a soldering iron to heat the area 

very slowly until it was transparent and thereby weld the seam back 

together. It worked fine after that.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: Puking Oil Reservoir

I was under the impression Gared was puking oil out the vent hole in the top 

of the cap.  This would indicated  an internal pressure coming from 

somewhere.  On the other hand, a cracked tank could also cause the oil to go 

away.  I did have one crack that leaked but it was apparent without the 

engine running.



Don Smythe

Classic IV w/582

Newport News, Va.

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wheetfly(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:45 am Post subject: Puking Oil Reservoir

Hi Jared

When I had my KF III 582 I had the same problem

It was like the system was making oil. well the seals

in the rotary valve Pump shaft were gone thus a little

water was mixing with the shaft oil and pushing it out

the top

I feel U better check and replace the shaft seals and

bearings and posibly the shaft too 

Bill Wheet

Based in Maine



--- jareds(at)verizon.net wrote:



[quote] 

 <jareds(at)verizon.net>

 

 Hi Don,

 

 The amount decreases (1/4 container per hour) and

 doesnt appear to have water in.  Will look a little

 closer.  I am guessing that these feeder lines are

 for the rotary valve shaft?

 

 I"ve attached a length of clear tube to the top of

 the cover over the little hole to see if it still

 shoots it out the top or to get a better idea of

 whats going on.

 

 

 >From: Don Smythe <dosmythe(at)cox.net>

 >Date: 2007/04/30 Mon PM 12:27:23 CDT

 >To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 >Subject: Re: Puking Oil Reservoir

 

 >

 <dosmythe(at)cox.net>

 >

 >Jared,

 >    You could simply use the large tank to feed

 both but, the small tanks is 

 >there to allow you to measure any usage of oil and

 also to see if any water 

 >starts to appear.  Either would indicate a rotary

 valve seal leaking 

 >problem.  Does the little tanks always indicate the

 exact same level? 

 >Probably not since it's blowing out.  Is there any

 water in the oil?

 >

 >Don Smythe

 >Classic IV w/582

 >Newport News, Va.

 >

 >Do Not Archive

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msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: Puking Oil Reservoir

I got the impression from the original post that oil was burping up through the vent hole in the reservoir bottle cap. That happened to me too. I cut a rubber gasket for inside of the reservoir cap and punched multiple off-center vent holes in the rubber. Problem solved.

   

  



Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan 



At 03:01 PM 4/30/2007, you wrote:

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		  The amount decreases (1/4 container per hour) and doesnt appear to 

have water in. Will look a little closer. I am guessing that these 

feeder lines are for the rotary valve shaft?


	


Since you're showing leakage outside the engine I don't think you 

have a rotary valve problem. (Maybe I should say that if the leakage 

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