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jdubner(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: Hitachi Alternator

My O235 Long-EZ has experienced some sort of charging system failure.

It was intermittent at first but now it does nothing -- I flew home

battery only.  So I suspect it's time for brush replacement on my

automotive alternator and I'd like to buy some brushes at the local auto

parts store.



The alternator is an internally regulated Hitachi alternator with no

part number (and I didn't install it).  The counter-person at the NAPA

and the AutoZone stores gave me that "deer in the headlight" look when I

asked for brushes for a Hitachi alternator.  They only understand car

make, model, and year.  So can someone help me with a cross-reference?



The alternator appears to be this one:

http://www.marineengine.com/parts/part_details.php?pnum=SIE18-6284&returntopage=80240069.htm

(or try this if that wraps around: http://tinyurl.com/2oaokc)



Thanks,

Joe



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mprather(at)spro.net
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: Hitachi Alternator

Hey Joe,



I'd pull the brush holder out and see if you can identify anything from

that.  Maybe take some pics and post them.  I found several outfits online

that show brushes for Hitachi alternators.  You might also be able to

adapt brushes from a different alternator - they don't seem too tough to

work on.



I might also just call (or head down to) one of the alternator rebuilders

(there might be a local one) and see if they have the brushes.



Huskey Auto Electric in Boise might be able to help you:



(208) 345-2233 - 2301 W Overland RD - Boise, ID 83705



You might also check with Wizard Auto Electric...



(509) 758-6468 - 512 Sycamore St - Clarkston , WA 99403



Regards,



Matt-



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 My O235 Long-EZ has experienced some sort of charging system failure.

 It was intermittent at first but now it does nothing -- I flew home

 battery only.  So I suspect it's time for brush replacement on my

 automotive alternator and I'd like to buy some brushes at the local auto

 parts store.



 The alternator is an internally regulated Hitachi alternator with no

 part number (and I didn't install it).  The counter-person at the NAPA

 and the AutoZone stores gave me that "deer in the headlight" look when I

 asked for brushes for a Hitachi alternator.  They only understand car

 make, model, and year.  So can someone help me with a cross-reference?



 The alternator appears to be this one:

 http://www.marineengine.com/parts/part_details.php?pnum=SIE18-6284&returntopage=80240069.htm

 (or try this if that wraps around: http://tinyurl.com/2oaokc)



 Thanks,

 Joe



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jdubner(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: Hitachi Alternator

Thanks, Matt.  Heading down to Wizard Electric in Clarkston is "plan B"

but I'm hoping someone on the list who works in the automotive

electrical business can tell me the make and model of the car my

alternator comes from.



This points out a real problem with a homebuilt that uses automotive

parts.  When it changes hands somewhere down the line, the new owner may

be in for a tough time when the starter/alternator/whatever goes out

unless it's well documented.



Best Regards,

Joe



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On 10-May-07 13:31 Matt Prather wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Hey Joe,

 

 I'd pull the brush holder out and see if you can identify anything from

 that.  Maybe take some pics and post them.  I found several outfits online

 that show brushes for Hitachi alternators.  You might also be able to

 adapt brushes from a different alternator - they don't seem too tough to

 work on.

 

 I might also just call (or head down to) one of the alternator rebuilders

 (there might be a local one) and see if they have the brushes.

 

 Huskey Auto Electric in Boise might be able to help you:

 

 (208) 345-2233 - 2301 W Overland RD - Boise, ID 83705

 

 You might also check with Wizard Auto Electric...

 

 (509) 758-6468 - 512 Sycamore St - Clarkston , WA 99403

 

 

 

 Regards,

 

 Matt-

 

> 

>

> My O235 Long-EZ has experienced some sort of charging system failure.

> It was intermittent at first but now it does nothing -- I flew home

> battery only.  So I suspect it's time for brush replacement on my

> automotive alternator and I'd like to buy some brushes at the local auto

> parts store.

>

> The alternator is an internally regulated Hitachi alternator with no

> part number (and I didn't install it).  The counter-person at the NAPA

> and the AutoZone stores gave me that "deer in the headlight" look when I

> asked for brushes for a Hitachi alternator.  They only understand car

> make, model, and year.  So can someone help me with a cross-reference?

>

> The alternator appears to be this one:

> http://www.marineengine.com/parts/part_details.php?pnum=SIE18-6284&returntopage=80240069.htm

> (or try this if that wraps around: http://tinyurl.com/2oaokc)

>

> Thanks,

> Joe

>

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> Long-EZ 821RP     |  Lewiston, ID  83501  |  +1 208 816-6359

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

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klehman(at)albedo.net
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: Hitachi Alternator

Alternator rebuilders usually only need the part number on the 

alternator. Many cars will have several different alternators installed 

even in the same model year. Of course simply replacing the brushes may 

be a short term repair.

Ken



Joe Dubner wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  



Thanks, Matt.  Heading down to Wizard Electric in Clarkston is "plan B"

but I'm hoping someone on the list who works in the automotive

electrical business can tell me the make and model of the car my

alternator comes from.



This points out a real problem with a homebuilt that uses automotive

parts.  When it changes hands somewhere down the line, the new owner may

be in for a tough time when the starter/alternator/whatever goes out

unless it's well documented.



Best Regards,

Joe

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jdubner(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: Hitachi Alternator

Ken,

That's the problem: there is _NO_ part number whatsoever on the

alternator.  Just a manufacturer (Hitachi) and a label that says it's

internally regulated and made in Japan.

I'm headed to the alternator shop today but I'd like to solve this for

once and for all.  So, again, I'm hoping someone in the business will

see this and recognize what it's used in.

My original message:

My O235 Long-EZ has experienced some sort of charging system failure.

It was intermittent at first but now it does nothing -- I flew home

battery only.  So I suspect it's time for brush replacement on my

automotive alternator and I'd like to buy some brushes at the local auto

parts store.

The alternator is an internally regulated Hitachi alternator with no

part number (and I didn't install it).  The counter-person at the NAPA

and the AutoZone stores gave me that "deer in the headlight" look when I

asked for brushes for a Hitachi alternator.  They only understand car

make, model, and year.  So can someone help me with a cross-reference?

The alternator appears to be this one:

http://www.marineengine.com/parts/part_details.php?pnum=SIE18-6284&returntopage=80240069.htm

(or try this if that wraps around: http://tinyurl.com/2oaokc)

Thanks,

Joe

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Long-EZ 821RP     |  Lewiston, ID  83501  |  +1 208 816-6359

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On 11-May-07 05:48 Ken wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Alternator rebuilders usually only need the part number on the 

 alternator. Many cars will have several different alternators installed 

 even in the same model year. Of course simply replacing the brushes may 

 be a short term repair.

 Ken

 Joe Dubner wrote:

>

>

>Thanks, Matt.  Heading down to Wizard Electric in Clarkston is "plan B"

>but I'm hoping someone on the list who works in the automotive

>electrical business can tell me the make and model of the car my

>alternator comes from.

>

>This points out a real problem with a homebuilt that uses automotive

>parts.  When it changes hands somewhere down the line, the new owner may

>be in for a tough time when the starter/alternator/whatever goes out

>unless it's well documented.

>

>Best Regards,

>Joe

>

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gmcjetpilot

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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: Hitachi Alternator

This is the most likely one (you can get easily):

 

Alternator - Hitachi, Mitsubishi IR/EF 

35 Amp, 12 Volt, CW, 1-Groove Pulley 

 Used On:  

(1980-7 Nissan 620

720 Pickup 2.0L 

Nissan Lift Trucks

TCM Lift Trucks  

Replaces:  Hitachi LR138-01 Mitsubishi A1T22971  

Lester Nos:  14231 

   

  Key number is Lester # 14231.

   

  If the brush repair does not work.

 

Get rid of the Hatachi; They are one of the worst 

brands of alternators made. Get a:

   

  Alternator - Nippondenso IR/IF Replacement 

55 Amp, 12 Volt, CW, 1-Groove Pulley 

 Used On:  

(1988-87) Chevrolet Sprint 1.0L  

(1995-86) Suzuki Samurai 1.3L  

(1989) Suzuki Sidekick 1.3L 

Replaces:  Nippondenso 100211-141, 100211-155, 

100211-407  

Lester Nos: 14684 

   

   Smaller, lighter, more reliable. May take new brackets.

 

 If you really want to do it right.

 

http://www.plane-power.com/

   

  Cheers George

   

   

  >From: Joe Dubner <jdubner(at)yahoo.com (jdubner(at)yahoo.com)>

 	  Quote: 	
		  Subject: Hitachi Alternator



My O235 Long-EZ has experienced some sort of charging 

system failure.


	


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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: Hitachi Alternator

George is right,

  

 That baby Nippondenso is a wonderful little machine, I ran  one for 400 hours on my old Zodiac, only reason it hiccupped was because the  brushes got soaked in oil from the leaking filler cap right in front of it. half  an hour hour new brushes installed and it was perfect.

  

 For the RV I went the plane power route after the Toyota  camry unit I bought from Autozone confused my avionics...Nice but spendy! But it  is a brand new alternator and I was in a hurry and Vans stock them and they are  a 15min flight from my home base.

  

 The Plane power unit fitted perfectly, all the brackets are  included. If I add up the time I spent making brackets for the Toyota Camry unit  I replaced then it was a good deal...In other words it wasn't worth making my  own.

  

 Cheers

  

 Frank



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Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 6:54  AM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com;  jdubner(at)yahoo.com

Subject: Re: Hitachi  Alternator

 

 This is the most likely one (you can get easily):

 

Alternator -  Hitachi, Mitsubishi IR/EF 

35 Amp, 12 Volt, CW, 1-Groove Pulley  

 Used On:  

(1980-7 Nissan 620

720 Pickup 2.0L 

Nissan  Lift Trucks

TCM Lift Trucks  

Replaces:  Hitachi LR138-01  Mitsubishi A1T22971  

Lester Nos:  14231 

  

 Key number is Lester # 14231.

  

 If the brush repair does not work.

 

Get rid of the Hatachi;  They are one of the worst 

brands of alternators made. Get a:

  

 Alternator - Nippondenso IR/IF Replacement 

55 Amp, 12 Volt, CW,  1-Groove Pulley 

 Used On:  

(1988-87) Chevrolet Sprint  1.0L  

(1995-86) Suzuki Samurai 1.3L  

(1989) Suzuki Sidekick  1.3L 

Replaces:  Nippondenso 100211-141, 100211-155,  

100211-407  

Lester Nos: 14684 

  

 Smaller, lighter, more reliable. May take new  brackets.

 

 If you really want to do it right.

 

http://www.plane-power.com/

  

 Cheers George

  

  

 >From: Joe Dubner <jdubner(at)yahoo.com (jdubner(at)yahoo.com)>

 	  Quote: 	
		  Subject:  Hitachi Alternator



My O235 Long-EZ has  experienced some sort of charging 

system failure.

 
	


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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: Hitachi Alternator

George,



Thank you!  That's what I was looking for (the year/make/model and the

bonus of a Lester number).  I don't know how you did it!  Anyway, with

that info I'm off to the alternator shop and/or the parts house.  And if

neither of those options give satisfaction, I see that Rockauto.com

sells one for under $50 (plus core and shipping).  I'm a happy camper!



But I'm keeping my Hitachi (at least for now) in favor of the N-D you

mentioned because I'd rather not do a bracket (and baffling) change,

plus whatever wiring/terminal changes are needed to connect to the "S"

and "L" terminals.  My Hitachi is a known quantity: internally regulated

and proven ability to switch off and on in flight.  To misparaphrase a

frequently tossed-out saying at (former) work: "Change is bad!"



Thanks again,

Joe



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On 11-May-07 06:54 gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   This is the most likely one (you can get easily):

  

 Alternator - Hitachi, Mitsubishi IR/EF 

 35 Amp, 12 Volt, CW, 1-Groove Pulley 

  Used On:  

 (1980-7 Nissan 620

 720 Pickup 2.0L 

 Nissan Lift Trucks

 TCM Lift Trucks  

 Replaces:  Hitachi LR138-01 Mitsubishi A1T22971  

 Lester Nos:  14231 

    

   Key number is Lester # 14231.

    

   If the brush repair does not work.

  

 Get rid of the Hatachi; They are one of the worst 

 brands of alternators made. Get a:

    

   Alternator - Nippondenso IR/IF Replacement 

 55 Amp, 12 Volt, CW, 1-Groove Pulley 

  Used On:  

 (1988-87) Chevrolet Sprint 1.0L  

 (1995-86) Suzuki Samurai 1.3L  

 (1989) Suzuki Sidekick 1.3L 

 Replaces:  Nippondenso 100211-141, 100211-155, 

 100211-407  

 Lester Nos: 14684 

    

   Smaller, lighter, more reliable. May take new brackets.

  

  If you really want to do it right.

  

 http://www.plane-power.com/

    

   Cheers George

    

    

   >From: Joe Dubner <jdubner(at)yahoo.com>

>Subject: Hitachi Alternator

>

>My O235 Long-EZ has experienced some sort of charging 

>system failure.

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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: Hitachi Alternator

Just a note of caution Joe,



I suspect that the Rockauto would be a rebuilt unit. There are many

rebuilt alternators which are very poor quality and for $50 I would be

very surprised if that was a good one.



Knowing what I know now (tempered with the fact I fly in IMC so I can't

afford an alt that will confuse my avionics) I would either strip and

rebuild the unit you have now, therby controlling the quality, buy a new

Lester unit (which I believe have a good reputation, or go for a plane

power unit.



Cheers



Frank



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