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john(at)leptron.com
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: going south

Hi guys,  

I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt lake area to Phoenix. As with many of us now, it started out with a half a dozen-frequency changes before we left the salt lake area. The crossing at the grand canyon was at the bar ten ranch, this seems to be the safest crossing as at 11500 we could glide to a good landing at any time. The view was smoggy but as usual spectacular. We had stopped at Parowan, just north of cedar city and got fuel and oxygen. This seems to be a great place to stop, good people and cheep fuel. Dropping off the northern rim we landed at Wickenburg for a potty break, wow, locked gates no bushes higher than my ankle. This will not be a future stop for me. Good year was a friendly spot to land and leave the plane.   

Tues morning we headed back, landing a gravel strip at Grand Canyon caverns. I could have spent tome there it was a pretty spot and a short walk from the canyon rim. The motel there could have been where the movie with “the bates” motel was filmed, very quiet. I did not walk over there though, so it could have been a nice place and it was close. Back in the air to my usual crossing, (I love GPS) a very smooth ride over the top at 11200 and no hands as we were taking pictures, landing again at Parowan for fuel and oxygen, density alt. Was 14000. The flight to SLC was uneventful and relatively smooth, although the ride back through SLC airspace was rough for my little bird. Altitude was hard to hold and it was busy non stop talk. The landing at Ogden was my best of the run and we were ready for dinner.   

   

John Oakley  

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kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: going south

John, thanks for the summary of your trip to Phoenix. I still find myself too caught up in the "day to day" to take off like you, Lowell and Lynn have done to expand the experience.

  

 Are you going to be able to make it to the open house at KLGU this Saturday?  The invitation is open for other Utah lurkers as well.  11am to 4pm.  We will have food, fuel and potties.

  

 John Kerr

 Classic IV,912UL,800 hours.

  

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Hi guys, 

I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt lake area to <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Phoenix. As with many of us now, it started out with a half a dozen-frequency changes before we left the salt lake area. The crossing at the grand canyon was at the bar ten ranch, this seems to be the safest crossing as at 11500 we could glide to a good landing at any time. The view was smoggy but as usual spectacular. We had stopped at Parowan, just north of cedar city and got fuel and oxygen. This seems to be a great place to stop, good people and cheep fuel. Dropping off the northern rim we landed at Wickenburg for a potty break, wow, locked gates no bushes higher than my ankle. This will not be a future stop for me. Good year was   a fri endly spot to land and leave the plane.  

Tues morning we headed back, landing a gravel strip at Grand Canyon caverns. I could have spent tome there it was a pretty spot and a short walk from the canyon rim. The motel there could have been where the movie with “the bates” motel was filmed, very quiet. I did not walk over there though, so it could have been a nice place and it was close. Back in the air to my usual crossing, (I love GPS) a very smooth ride over the top at 11200 and no hands as we were taking pictures, landing again at Parowan for fuel and oxygen, density alt. Was 14000. The flight to SLC was uneventful and relatively smooth, although the ride back through SLC airspace was rough for my little bird. Altitude was hard to hold and it was busy non stop talk. The landing at Ogden was my best of th  e run  and we were ready for dinner.  

  

John Oakley

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rjdaugh

Joined: 30 Aug 2006
Posts: 195

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: going south

John,  

Thanks for the trip report.  It sounds like a great trip.  

   

Also thanks to Lowell for his report on the Brian Ranch trip.  

     

Randy Daughenbaugh,  N10NH  

Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore  

Home Strip, Grass   Room in Hangar for visitors  

Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip  

Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004  

   

Do not archive.  

  

         

  

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of john oakley

 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:22 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: going south  

  

   

Hi guys,  

I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt lake area to Phoenix. As with many of us now, it started out with a half a dozen-frequency changes before we left the salt lake area. The crossing at the grand canyon was at the bar ten ranch, this seems to be the safest crossing as at 11500 we could glide to a good landing at any time. The view was smoggy but as usual spectacular. We had stopped at Parowan, just north of cedar city and got fuel and oxygen. This seems to be a great place to stop, good people and cheep fuel. Dropping off the northern rim we landed at Wickenburg for a potty break, wow, locked gates no bushes higher than my ankle. This will not be a future stop for me. Good year was a friendly spot to land and leave the plane.   

Tues morning we headed back, landing a gravel strip at Grand Canyon caverns. I could have spent tome there it was a pretty spot and a short walk from the canyon rim. The motel there could have been where the movie with “the bates” motel was filmed, very quiet. I did not walk over there though, so it could have been a nice place and it was close. Back in the air to my usual crossing, (I love GPS) a very smooth ride over the top at 11200 and no hands as we were taking pictures, landing again at Parowan for fuel and oxygen, density alt. Was 14000. The flight to SLC was uneventful and relatively smooth, although the ride back through SLC airspace was rough for my little bird. Altitude was hard to hold and it was busy non stop talk. The landing at Ogden was my best of the run and we were ready for dinner.   

   

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: going south

At 07:21 AM 5/31/2007, you wrote:

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 Hi John,

         Please forgive me if I've already tasked you with this. I try to make sure people only hear it once, but sometimes I slip. Would you please add your approximate location, aircraft and engine type, and build / flying status in your signature? Mike and I, (the moderators,) are trying to make the place a little more friendly and the information helps people get to know each other a little better.

         By the way, what were you flying?



 Thanks,



 

 

 Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.     [quote][b]

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Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

john(at)leptron.com
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: going south

John Kerr,  

   

KLGU with Food and Potties, I will be there for sure.  

   

John Oakley  

Kitfox 4 Speedster  

912UL W/Cap 730 hours  

Ogden UT  

   

         

  

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net

 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:41 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: going south  

  

     

John, thanks for the summary of your trip to Phoenix. I still find myself too caught up in the "day to day" to take off like you, Lowell and Lynn have done to expand the experience.  

    

   

    

Are you going to be able to make it to the open house at KLGU this Saturday?  The invitation is open for other Utah lurkers as well.  11am to 4pm.  We will have food, fuel and potties.  

    

   

    

John Kerr  

    

Classic IV,912UL,800 hours.  

    

   

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 From: "john oakley" <john(at)leptron.com>   

Hi guys,  

I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt lake area to Phoenix. As with many of us now, it started out with a half a dozen-frequency changes before we left the salt lake area. The crossing at the grand canyon was at the bar ten ranch, this seems to be the safest crossing as at 11500 we could glide to a good landing at any time. The view was smoggy but as usual spectacular. We had stopped at Parowan, just north of cedar city and got fuel and oxygen. This seems to be a great place to stop, good people and cheep fuel. Dropping off the northern rim we landed at Wickenburg for a potty break, wow, locked gates no bushes higher than my ankle. This will not be a future stop for me. Good year was a fri endly spot to land and leave the plane.   

Tues morning we headed back, landing a gravel strip at Grand Canyon caverns. I could have spent tome there it was a pretty spot and a short walk from the canyon rim. The motel there could have been where the movie with “the bates” motel was filmed, very quiet. I did not walk over there though, so it could have been a nice place and it was close. Back in the air to my usual crossing, (I love GPS) a very smooth ride over the top at 11200 and no hands as we were taking pictures, landing again at Parowan for fuel and oxygen, density alt. Was 14000. The flight to SLC was uneventful and relatively smooth, although the ride back through SLC airspace was rough for my little bird. Altitude was hard to hold and it was busy non stop talk. The landing at Ogden was my best of th e run and we were ready for dinner.   

   

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wingnut

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 356

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: Re: going south

Any chance you could post some pictures? 



Luis Rodriguez

Kitfox 4 1200

Laurens, SC



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kitfoxmike

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 373

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: Re: going south

First off, great post.  Second, elaborate on the density alt. of 14000.  I never see anything like that, generally 5000 is the highest I come across up north here, and that is about 100degrees oat.  Third, and this is only because I would like to fly down there some day, how come you had to fly so high, and need oxygen.  Is the mountain passes that high, weather, or is it just your comfort level to fly that high?

darinh

Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 327
Location: Utah

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: Re: going south

Mike,



I also fly out of Ogden and we quite frequently see DA of 10k plus...keep in mind that many of our airports are 4k to 6k field elevation (Parowan, the one John fueled at  is 5930').  Also, when flying across the Grand Canyon, you are reqired to fly at a certian altitude or fly through one of two corridors, besides, most pilots prefer to be high so if the engine gives up, they can glide across it rather than land in the Colorado river which is oftentimes a mile or more below the rim.  



We have many mountain peaks here in Utah in the 10k ti 12k range and a couple in the 13k range so flying around 10k is really not that high here.



I sold my Model 3 to a guy from WI and after flying out here with me, he did mention that it is much different than flying the flat land.  I wouldn't know, I have never flown anywhere but the mountainous West.

kitfoxmike

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 373

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: going south

Thanks John, makes sense now.  I love the mountains, spokane wa. , I generally fly below the peeks, that and about 50 ft from the side. I think it would scare the crap out of some people.  I've taken a few lessons on mountain flying and if done right, can be the best flight you ever took.  I go out in the boonies all the time and fly abou 20 off the ground and go around trees, way too much fun. I know my fox flies fine at 12000 so that high of a density alt. should be ok.  Something to plan for anyway.

john(at)leptron.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: going south

Mike,

 On the ground in Arizona the temps were over 100, the grand canyon had

winds of 15 gusting to 22 not much in the real world but the vertical walls

in the canyon sometimes cause the air to move up and down at that speed...

very uncomfortable. The oxygen is just a precaution and well for us guys

coming up on 60 it makes travel much less tiring.

Spokane is the place that got me really started in flying; I used to ride my

bike to Phelps field and wash planes, also helped the sea plane tie up to

the docks while giving rides at lake coeurdalene when I was a kid.



John Oakley



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john(at)leptron.com
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: going south

Luis Rodriguez,

I will be glad to post pictures. I will sit down this evening and figure out

how. We did manage to get a few good ones.

John Oakley

Kitfox 5nx

Model 4 speedster

Ogden ut



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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: going south

John,



Thanks for the report.  One comment, at Wickenburg, you were a short hop to 

the Sunrise Skypark where the Arizona folks have their  annual fly-in.  I 

doubt anyone would have been home as their business takes them away for 

months at a time.



Lowell Fitt

Cameron Park, CA

Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp

1998 870 hrs.

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john(at)leptron.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: going south

Lowell,

I was thinking of those guys as I was touching down. I could not remember

when they get together. I have missed getting with you these past years

also. Hummm... this could change.



John Oakley



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kitfoxmike

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 373

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: going south

John,

I'm going to say this real quiet so nobody else hears.  I'm 50. eeek. well in August anyway.

My plane is at felts field, can get crazy sometimes after the tower closes at 8pm.  Most problems come from pilots doing wrong traffic patterns, with the two parallel runways, it can get crazy.

kaser

Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 2

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: going south

Ok John, you're havin to much fun.  You ever goin to come back up north?  tu 

say Idaho?  Or do I have to go south to catch up with you and see what all 

this crossin the Canyon is about?



T. Kaser

N316R

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