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asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.co
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: New to list

Hi folks,



I'm new to the list, and I hope I understand how it works, so if I  

mess up, please let me know.



We're shopping for a Commander and need advise as to what is the best  

one. Our goal it to use it for low level aerial surveillance to look  

over some land we are interested in. The trips will be in the 300 to  

600nm range and perhaps an hour or two flying over the land, looking  

it over. We will do these trips in VFR weather, so deice is not an  

issue, pressure not necessary and speed really isn't a big factor.  

However, would like a reasonable well equipped plane, preferably with  

air.



The Shrike seems like a good choice, but wondering what others I  

should be considering. The 560s with the geared, but not supercharged  

engines have been mentioned as good planes.



Thoughts?



Larry Olson

St. Pete

John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: New to list

Hi Larry,



Welcome to the list! I hope you'll find it a great resource. As far as which 

model might do you best, I have a 500B so I'm partial, but the B-model has 

some great advantages:



1) Direct-drive engines (fuel efficient, can fly them fairly ham-fisted 

without damaging them)

2) Lycoming IO-540 powered (proven design that's pretty rugged)

3) No spar AD that tends to affect the Shrikes

4) Generally excellent useful loads (mine is 2,238 lbs.!)



Mine is turbocharged & deiced, but that's obviously not a factor for you 

although I think they're great options if you live in mountainous country 

like I do. These airplanes are perfect for 3-600NM trips. Comfortable, 

roomy, fast enough (mine's good for ~175 kts. unless I go up above 12,000 

where I can get ~190 kts. with the turbos) and great for sightseeing, with 

the wing above you.



One option I LOVE about mine is the pilot door...especially if you're 

carrying passengers a lot. Also my dispatch reliability has been near 

100%....I've missed only 2 trips in 8 years of ownership and they were both 

due to annuals falling at the wrong time.



Hope this helps,



/John



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dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: New to list

Larry,  



I'm going to be in St. Pete from Sunday June 3 through Friday June 8 for

vacation on Treasure Island.  I have been flying a Shrike for 3 years

(800 hours) and wouldn't mind sharing with you.  It will be parked at

Albert-Whitted airport while we are on Treasure Island.  



Cell number is 517 881 8959 if you want to talk.



Don (based in Michigan)



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: New to list

Hi John,

My take is that if you are going to fly missions that require more than

average power adjustments, like sightseeing and inspection flights, to go

for direct drive engines. Ordinarily, these flights require either a high

number of take-offs and landings or a higher incidence of power adjustments.

The type of mission could catch a distracted pilot and hurt geared engines

given the right circumstances.

With Commanders you will have a very high level of mission-satisfaction.

Nico

 



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tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: New to list

John,If you are flying a sealevel to 5-8000', and speed is not a major item, You may want to look a the 500A with the IO-470 Cont. engines.  It is slower than the 500B,U,S.  



One member, Bill Bow, has a nice example that is for sale.  It needs an engine overhaul and the other engine was just overhauled.  The aircraft is in FL.  It is listed on Controller.



I had a flight with a professional photographer to film an event.  We spent about an hour flying around points on the ground at 500'.  It was a lot of  turns around a point.  As the pilot, I did not have much time to look down, but we spent a lot of time at 45 degrees in turns.  It was somewhat bumpy down low but the Commander as a platform was very stable.



 Tylor Hall

tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net (tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net)



 



On Jun 1, 2007, at 6:16 AM, nico css wrote:

[quote]--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com (nico(at)cybersuperstore.com)>

Hi John,

My take is that if you are going to fly missions that require more than

average power adjustments, like sightseeing and inspection flights, to go

for direct drive engines. Ordinarily, these flights require either a high

number of take-offs and landings or a higher incidence of power adjustments.

The type of mission could catch a distracted pilot and hurt geared engines

given the right circumstances.

With Commanders you will have a very high level of mission-satisfaction.

Nico





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John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: New to list

Hey guys, just pointing out that LARRY is the guy  who needs help. JOHN is just me, the first guy who replied to him  .

  

 /John



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dowens(at)aerialviewpoint
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: New to list

WHo???

  

  

  

  

 David Owens

Aerial  Viewpoint

N14AV

AC-500A-Colemill

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tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: New to list

John,OK it is LARRY then.



And the next set of finger prints on you windows may be mine.  I know where you park.

I will be in San Jose on Thursday and Friday.



Tylor Hall



On Jun 4, 2007, at 1:32 PM, John Vormbaum wrote:

[quote]Hey guys, just pointing out that LARRY is the guy who needs help. JOHN is just me, the first guy who replied to him .

 

/John



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alh1(at)juno.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: New to list

lots of replies to larry and john, but nothing more from larry.  larry,

how much would you like to spend?  remember speed costs money, how fast

do you want to go?  al hoffman  n628ah

Skyhawkc-172

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 84

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: New to list

You can go slow as a little bird or fast as a jet...

  

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6zeTGPZA_A

  

 just keep moderation in mind...

  

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