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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: George is still at it . . . (yep and why not?)

At 05:43 AM 6/10/2007 -0700, you wrote:



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George,



I am impressed. Bob has posted your very own article about you. You now 

have joined the ranks of the famous along with Greg Richter.



Last time I tweaked Bobs nose for being less than civil in his responses 

all I got were a couple of hateful e mails from his groupies.



Maybe I should have asked the e mailers for their last names. But then 

again I just do not see where that would be of any help.



Keep at it George I enjoy your posts here and on the Vans Air Force 

forums. I find most of them informative and useful.

 >  what has become a tiresome nuisance....George's convoluted offerings

Great response Bob. Ever the bully.


	


    Have we met sir? Obviously not or you would know

    that your assessment is in error.



    How is it that one individual who has a multi-year

    history of dispensing bad science and personal attacks

    while hiding behind a pseudonym can garner your support?

    If you were attacked personally or professionally on

    this List, I would be among the first to come to your

    defense.



    Honorable people are proud of what they do and who they

    are is not a secret.



    Come to one of my seminars (remind me of this exchange

    and I'll comp your tuition), or drop by the tents at

    OSH this year and I'd be pleased for you to discover for

    yourself how utterly wrong you are.



    Bob . . .

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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: George is still at it . . . (yep and why not?)

At 04:10 AM 6/10/2007 -0700, you wrote:



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		  Bob:




	


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I'll read your manifesto when I get a chance. I'm sure I will

enjoy it.


	


   Please don't bother sir. It wasn't intended for you.



   Bob . . .

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Eric M. Jones

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 565
Location: Massachusetts

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: George is still at it . . . (yep and why not?)

These arguments would not be so pointless if we adhered to the policy of simply labeling fallacious arguments. I suggest the following list:



1.	Ad Hominem (Argument To The Man) 

2.	Affirming The Consequent 

3.	Amazing Familiarity 

4.	Ambiguous Assertion 

5.	Appeal To Anonymous Authority 

6.	Appeal To Authority 

7.	Appeal To Coincidence 

8.	Appeal To Complexity 

9.	Appeal To False Authority 

10.	Appeal To Force 

11.	Appeal To Pity (Appeal to Sympathy, The Galileo Argument) 

12.	Appeal To Widespread Belief (Bandwagon Argument, Peer 

	Pressure, Appeal To Common Practice) 

13.	Argument By Emotive Language (Appeal To The People) 

14.	Argument By Fast Talking 

15.	Argument By Generalization 

16.	Argument By Gibberish (Bafflement) 

17.	Argument By Half Truth (Suppressed Evidence) 

18.	Argument By Laziness (Argument By Uninformed Opinion) 

19.	Argument By Personal Charm 

20.	Argument By Pigheadedness (Doggedness) 

21.	Argument By Poetic Language 

22.	Argument By Prestigious Jargon 

23.	Argument By Question 

24.	Argument By Repetition (Argument Ad Nauseam) 

25.	Argument by Rhetorical Question 

26.	Argument By Scenario 

27.	Argument By Selective Observation 

28.	Argument By Selective Reading 

29.	Argument By Slogan 

30.	Argument From Adverse Consequences (Appeal 

	To Fear, Scare Tactics) 

31.	Argument From Age (Wisdom of the Ancients) 

32.	Argument From Authority 

33.	Argument From False Authority 

34.	Argument From Small Numbers 

35.	Argument From Spurious Similarity 

36.	Argument Of The Beard 

37.	Argument To The Future 

38.	Bad Analogy 

39.	Begging The Question (Assuming The 

	Answer, Tautology) 

40.	Burden Of Proof 

41.	Causal Reductionism (Complex Cause) 

42.	Changing The Subject (Digression, Red Herring, 

	Misdirection, False Emphasis) 

43.	Cliche Thinking 

44.	Common Sense 

45.	Complex Question (Tying) 

46.	Confusing Correlation And Causation 

47.	Disproof By Fallacy 

48.	Equivocation 

49.	Error Of Fact 

50.	Euphemism 

51.	Exception That Proves The Rule 

52.	Excluded Middle (False Dichotomy, Faulty 

	Dilemma, Bifurcation) 

53.	Extended Analogy 

54.	Failure To State 

55.	Fallacy Of Composition 

56.	Fallacy Of Division 

57.	Fallacy Of The General Rule 

58.	Fallacy Of The Crucial Experiment 

59.	False Cause 

60.	False Compromise 

61.	Genetic Fallacy (Fallacy of Origins, Fallacy of Virtue) 

62.	Having Your Cake (Failure To Assert, or Diminished Claim) 

63.	Hypothesis Contrary To Fact 

64.	Inconsistency 

65.	Inflation Of Conflict 

66.	Internal Contradiction 

67.	Least Plausible Hypothesis 

68.	Lies 

69.	Meaningless Questions 

70.	Misunderstanding The Nature Of Statistics 

71.	Moving The Goalposts (Raising The Bar, Argument By

                Demanding Impossible Perfection) 

72.	Needling 

73.	Non Sequitur 

74.	Not Invented Here 

75.	Outdated Information 

76.	Pious Fraud 

77.	Poisoning The Wells 

78.	Psychogenetic Fallacy 

79.	Reductio Ad Absurdum 

80.	Reductive Fallacy (Oversimplification) 

81.	Reifying 

82.	Short Term Versus Long Term 

83.	Slippery Slope Fallacy (Camel's Nose) 

84.	Special Pleading (Stacking The Deck) 

85.	Statement Of Conversion 

86.	Stolen Concept 

87.	Straw Man (Fallacy Of Extension) 

88.	Two Wrongs Make A Right (Tu Quoque, You Too) 

89.	Weasel Wording 



And I am not kidding. By the way, I am on George's side in this. I sell a NON-crowbar OV module, and have endured Bob's ire on many occassions so now I post only infrequently.



"Every act of conscious learning requires the willingness to suffer an

injury to one's self-esteem...."

     -Thomas Szasz

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Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: George is still at it . . . (yep and why not?)

At 08:01 PM 6/10/2007 -0700, you wrote:



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These arguments would not be so pointless if we adhered to the policy of 

simply labeling fallacious arguments. I suggest the following list:



1.      Ad Hominem (Argument To The Man)

2.      Affirming The Consequent

3.      Amazing Familiarity


	


   <snip>



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		  87.     Straw Man (Fallacy Of Extension)

88.     Two Wrongs Make A Right (Tu Quoque, You Too)

89.     Weasel Wording



And I am not kidding. By the way, I am on George's side in this. I sell a 

NON-crowbar OV module, and have indured Bob's ire on many occassions so 

now I post only infrequently.


	


    Your list of rhetorical floobydust offers no enlightenment

    or understanding. If it's your intent to stir up anything

    other than mystified amusement then you've shot yourself

    in the foot. If you're NOT kidding, then you ARE embarrassing.



    I'm aware of no shortcomings in the design of your product

    or your business practices in marketing it. It was mentioned

    in my response to George's latest crap-dump because HE cited

    it first as an alternative to "Bob's Alternator Killing OV Protection

    System". Your offering avoided being "Eric's Alternator Killing OV

    Protection System" because you did not embrace the design

    goal for CONTROL and left out the switch. The point being that

    damage to the alternator(s) had nothing to do with style

    of OV protection . . . or even whether or not OV protection

    was installed. It had to do with a desire to effect orderly

    CONTROL over an alternator that could not be controlled without

    committing suicide by load-dump overshoot.



    If you have an argument on any mater of logic or fact

    in any posting I've made with respect to George's posts or your

    own, then cite it and refute it. If you cannot compete in

    the arena of logical assemblage of simple-ideas, then pick

    another arena. Step up to the bar and behave like a talented

    designer or go find a bar where folks enjoy wallowing in

    ideas like that which you cite below . . .

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		  "Every act of conscious learning requires the willingness to suffer an

injury to one's self-esteem...."

      -Thomas Szasz


	


   B.S.



   We've spoken about this guy's outlook on life and society

   before. See my post of 11/23/2006. If you perceive this individual's

   ideas as valuable anchors for honorable behavior and optimistic

   endeavor, then your future and the future of those who revere your

   teachings is in doubt. Szasz is about as inspirational to honorable

   folks as Brush Hog driver at a flower show.



   Bob . . .

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ed(at)muellerartcover.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: George is still at it . . . (yep and why not?)

Hi Bob,



Great job.  Built some Heathkits 40 years ago (I was 13) and have 

stayed interested (hobbyist) in electrics/electronics since.  Keep up 

the good work.



I completely agree with your views on the educational system.  As a 

business owner I get job apps that are TERRIBLE.  One high school 

graduate couldn't even spell the name of the city correctly where he 

lives and the business is based.  Errors everywhere in the 

applications.



I about fell off my chair laughing at the quote about brush hogs.



"Szasz is about as inspirational to honorable

   folks as Brush Hog driver at a flower show"



Ed Mueller

RV10 Builder

About fell off my chair

On Jun 11, 2007, at 1:07 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:



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		   Szasz is about as inspirational to honorable

   folks as Brush Hog driver at a flower show

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