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CJohnston(at)popsound.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: audio panel location question

Hey all - 



In the interest of keeping my tradition of stupid questions alive,

here's a new one...or two...



Is there a reason that people put the audio panel at the top of the

radio stack?  I mean besides because that's where everybody puts it?



I'm thinking (overthinking) about it this way...  if you are selecting

what radio you're listening to and you've got your hand at the audio

panel, it's in the way of seeing the radios and what frequency they're

tuned to...  I'm not fishing for a long preposterous discussion.  Just a

good reason not to put the audio panel below the radios.  Anyone got

one?



Also, is there a reason people don't countersink the mounting holes for

instruments?  Other than the fact that it's more work for no reason?



Hooray for silly questions!



cj



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: audio panel location question

Part of this question may be a poll to see how often people change the audio

panel in a typical flight (VFR, IFR) compared to the Xpndr and maybe

COM/NAV2.  Your type of flying may also modify this a fair bit.  If you are

doing a lot of VOR flying and are verifying that you have the VOR by

listening to the code or are using COM2 to check ATIS/AWOS, then you will be

using it a lot more than if you are just fly day VFR around uncontrolled

strips and GPS navigation.  Also, having passengers and/or entertainment

systems will also change how much you are changing it.  Like a lot of

questions, mission will determine how you finally decide where to put it.



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Tim Olson

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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: audio panel location question

One of the reasons it's at the top of my panel is that the center post

support takes up some space, and the audio panel is about the

least deep of any of the stack.  So from a fit perspective, the stack

would have to sit lower (not a great thing) just to try to cram a

Nav/Com on top.



Also, in practice, I use the buttons on my audio panel quite a bit.

Between swapping from COM1 to COM2 when flying around towered airports

(with all those multiple frequencies filling a 4 slots of 2 radios),

to the "used a few hundred times per flight" pilot isolate/ crew isolate

feature.  I know for a lot of flights and in some situations, you

don't tend to use the audio panel a lot, but it has it's moments.

Also, beyond all of that, from an IFR perspective, remember that the

audio panel is also the Audio/Visual annunciator for your

BLUE/WHITE/AMBER lights for the marker beacon, and passing those points

on an approach is kind of one of those things that a critical

notification point.  So other than the above reasons, I think there

is actually a good IFR reason that it deserves the top spot on the

stack.  You want annunciations where you won't miss them.



This isn't to say that you can't mount it other places, but illustrate

that there are not only common reasons why you see it where it is, but

good reasons why some people would place it there.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Chris Johnston wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Hey all - 

 

 In the interest of keeping my tradition of stupid questions alive,

 here's a new one...or two...

 

 Is there a reason that people put the audio panel at the top of the

 radio stack?  I mean besides because that's where everybody puts it?

 

 I'm thinking (overthinking) about it this way...  if you are selecting

 what radio you're listening to and you've got your hand at the audio

 panel, it's in the way of seeing the radios and what frequency they're

 tuned to...  I'm not fishing for a long preposterous discussion.  Just a

 good reason not to put the audio panel below the radios.  Anyone got

 one?

 

 Also, is there a reason people don't countersink the mounting holes for

 instruments?  Other than the fact that it's more work for no reason?

 

 Hooray for silly questions!

 

 

 

 cj

 

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CJohnston(at)popsound.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: audio panel location question

I actually wasn't thinking of putting it in a more remote location, but

rather I was thinking that if it were below the radios it would seem to

be in a handier place - nearer to your right hand most times, and when

pushing buttons on it, you wouldn't be blocking the view to other

avionics/instruments.  I guess I gave the impression that I'd put it

lower because I wouldn't be pushing buttons all the time on it, but

that's exactly the opposite of what I meant.  I should have said, since

it's so frequently used, would not a handier place be, well, by your

hand?  The downsides seem to be that you'd have to glance lower to

monkey around with it, and the marker beacon thing - yea, that's one for

sure.



Thanks

cj



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: audio panel location question

Chris Johnston wrote:



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Hey all - 



In the interest of keeping my tradition of stupid questions alive,

here's a new one...or two...



Is there a reason that people put the audio panel at the top of the

radio stack?  I mean besides because that's where everybody puts it?



This is a real SWAG ...... but along with the audio switches were the 
	


marker beacon lights ..... and being up high made it easier to keep in 

the scan.  That's about all the reasons I can think of.



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		  I'm thinking (overthinking) about it this way...  if you are selecting

what radio you're listening to and you've got your hand at the audio

panel, it's in the way of seeing the radios and what frequency they're

tuned to...  I'm not fishing for a long preposterous discussion.  Just a

good reason not to put the audio panel below the radios.  Anyone got

one?



With the exception of above, I can't think of one.  But how often do you 
	


switch radios anyway?  With flip/flop radios, you always have the next 

or last freq on the inactive side, so switching single-display radios is 

history.  Most of the hi9gh-time pilots I fly with use one primary radio 

almost exclusively for 2-way comms, and use the second radio to listen 

to ATIS and stuff like that.  I can't separate two radios talking in my 

ear, so I don't put the speaker (headphones) on both.

Linn

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Also, is there a reason people don't countersink the mounting holes for

instruments?  Other than the fact that it's more work for no reason?



Hooray for silly questions!



cj



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saolesen(at)sirentel.net
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: audio panel location question

Chris,



I couldn't think of a good reason to put the audio panel on top to  

the stack so I didn't.  There is a very good reason not to put it on  

top.  The length of the audio panel (PSE 7000) is much shorter than  

the radios below and maintenance or wiring changes would be very  

difficult.



Sheldon Olesen



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speckter(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: audio panel location question

The Audio panel traditionally has been at the top because it is not very

deep from front to back and the top is tapered down to allow for the glare

shield to slope. Thus you would use minimal space for it and it is space

that other radios could not use.



That is my story and I am sticking to it.



Gary

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:05 am Post subject: audio panel location question

I can assure you it will be done on Tuesday.

We just don't know which month.



Gary



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