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MaxNr(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

CAP just saved a CH601 pilot that was hung up in a tree top for 50 hours in Mississippi http://www.aero-news.net/ 

 Bob    XL/Lyc

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ihab.awad(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

On 6/21/07, MaxNr(at)aol.com <MaxNr(at)aol.com> wrote:

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		   CAP just saved a CH601 pilot that was hung up in a tree top for 50 hours in

 Mississippi http://www.aero-news.net/


	


This may be a dumb question, but how did it take them 50 hours (ok, 48

hours since it says they took 2 hours getting him out) to find him?

ELT signals should be picked up pretty quickly, no? Then all you have

to do is triangulate, send a heli, and you're done. Right? What am I

missing?



Ihab



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Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA



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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

The good news is (A) he will recover and (B) the wings stayed on.



Dred



---- MaxNr(at)aol.com wrote: 

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		   CAP just saved a CH601 pilot that was hung up in a tree top for 50 hours in 

 Mississippi http://www.aero-news.net/ 

 Bob    XL/Lyc

 

 

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 http://www.aol.com.

dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

At least we can be thankful that (A) he will recover and (B) the wings stayed on.



Dred

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---- MaxNr(at)aol.com wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   CAP just saved a CH601 pilot that was hung up in a tree top for 50 hours in 

 Mississippi http://www.aero-news.net/ 

 Bob    XL/Lyc

 

 

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  See what's free at 

 http://www.aol.com.

dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

The only explanation I can think of is that the pilot/builder must have used green scotchbrite. The stuff has been rumored to drastically slow down the broadcast signal from ELTs.

Dred 

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---- ihab.awad(at)gmail.com wrote: 

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 On 6/21/07, MaxNr(at)aol.com <MaxNr(at)aol.com> wrote:

 > CAP just saved a CH601 pilot that was hung up in a tree top for 50 hours in

 > Mississippi http://www.aero-news.net/

 This may be a dumb question, but how did it take them 50 hours (ok, 48

 hours since it says they took 2 hours getting him out) to find him?

 ELT signals should be picked up pretty quickly, no? Then all you have

 to do is triangulate, send a heli, and you're done. Right? What am I

 missing?

 Ihab

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 Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA

 DO NOT ARCHIVE

PatrickW

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Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: CH601 hung up in a tree

Maybe the wings really did fall off!



If they came to rest many miles away from the fuselage, then it would have thrown the rescue parties off track due to an incorrect assumption that all of the wreckage would be located in the same area.



      



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rsq2424(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

 	  Quote: 	
		   This may be a dumb question, but how did it take them 50 hours (ok, 48 hours 

 since it says they took 2 hours getting him out) to find him? ELT signals 

 should be picked up pretty quickly, no? Then all you have to do is triangulate, > send a heli, and you're done. Right? What am I missing?


	


Maybe not a dumb question...let's just call it uninformed.   Assuming the ELT triggered (which is not always the case), it takes a while to mobilize a search and rescue team. Then triangulation takes time....ELT's are not as easy and swift as finding something via a GPS. And from the air, planes are not always easily visible especially in dense foliage (which is why my plane will be painted a BRIGHT color). And that assumes the weather was above minimums for air rescue. Then comes access to the site for the ground pounders, which can often be a problem, even after they know where they are. believe me....50 hours can go by in a snap. [Read: always have  survival supplies w/you when flying].



Mike Fortunato

601XL

Search & Rescue 15+ years



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planejim(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

According to FAA Registration this was a 601XL  built by John FrewIII and regestered to John Anderson of Alabama.. It has a LYC  0-235-C2C. Pilot was Dennis Steinbock of Oregon. Airworthiness certificate  issued 2-2007.

  

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 Jim Hoak

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

Sounds like another good reason to install the next generation of ELTs.

Aside from the satellite location being tighter (25 square nm vs. 500 square

nm) the higher power pulsed output is more likely to punch through a foliage

canopy:



"Unlike the 121.50Mhz ELT, which transmits a continuous 100mW signal, the

406Mhz ELT transmits a whopping five watts for every 50 seconds for one-half

second. Because the system isn't always transmitting, battery life is fairly

long. Transmitting in short bursts allows the satellite to track up to 90

ELTs at once."



www.avionicswest.com/articles/406elt.htm



www.sarsat.noaa.gov/406vs121.pdf



I spent the $1000 to get the Artex ME406:



www.artex.net/products/products.php?categoryid=15



If I fly over hostile terrain a lot I'll consider springing for a PLB:



www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/microfix406.php

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/fastfind.php

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/406plb.php



-- Craig

japhillipsga(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

Ed, 50 hours in a plane over Mississippi without refueling has to be a record. Call Guinness. Glad he wasn't hurt much. How would you get a 601 out of a tree ? Without hurting the tree ? Best regards, Bill

 

 

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japhillipsga(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

Maybe we should carry rope ladders for climbing down from trees when we land in them along with our hammers for busting out the canopy in case we flip over and ballistic parachutes in case the fan stops turning or the wings fall off and add a couple more fuel pumps just in case we have vapor lock, and a survival pack with food, water and tent in case we are forced down in the "wilderness," and life preservers in case we come down in a lake. Where is this all going ? I'm almost too scared to fly my XL now. Best regards, Bill of Georgia 

 

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

Call Guiness???? The book people or the beer  people? 

  

 How to get a 701 out of a tree.... get a Kitfox to  go up the tree. They are natural enemies so the injured 701 will have no option  other than to come down on its own. Then burn down the tree to eliminate the  natural enemy of the 701. 

  

 Got the stabilizer mounted last night (see photo).  Next big issue is how to get the cutout done right where the nose of the stab  fits against the aft edge of the rear top skin. Any hints?

  

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wjones(at)brazoriainet.co
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

Hi Ed ,looking like an airplane ,nice work .I am at  the same stage ,dreading to make the cut-out . If you learn anything please  pass it along .

 Wade Jones    South Texas 

601XL plans building

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Jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

Ed,



I made a rough template out of bristol board (about the same as manila folder material) and fine tuned it by adding strips of masking tape to fit the curve.  I transferred this to the rear top skin and made the cut.  It fit the stab leading edge perfectly.  I removed the stab and later riveted the rear top skin in place.  Still later, I tried to reinstall the stab -  and I couldn't get it in the beautifully coped rear edge of the rear top skin.  I had already riveted the stab attach brackets in place and that caused the conflict.  I had to trim off that masterful rear edge of the top skin, and make an aluminum filler that could be attached with screws and plate nuts after the stab is in place.



Some posters (and ZAC) have said that this is not a problem.  Just watch out!



Jay in Dallas



"Edward Moody II" <dredmoody(at)cox.net> wrote:



[quote]Got the stabilizer mounted last night (see photo). Next big issue is how to get the cutout done right where the nose of the stab fits against the aft edge of the rear top skin. Any hints?



Ed

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

Yep Jay. This is a concept that dentists are  acutely aware of. It's called path of insertion; we deal with it all the time on  bridegework. The dirty little secret is that the geometry of the stab attach  brackets will not allow the removal of the stab in any direction other  than up or forward. Since the rear top skin must fit very closely to the  nose of the stab, forward movement is out of the question. Since no one wants to  drill out the rivets holding the rear top skin or the stab brackets, the only  direction left for the stab is straight up. So if the rear top skin is cut to  curve over the nose of the stab you're screwed; it is  on forever and can't be removed short of major surgery. What you had to  do is the only way I can see other than making a fairly sloppy cut with a  lot of gap over the stab. 

  

 Therefore unless someone comes forward with a  miracle solution, I'm going ot make a very close fitting cut where the rear  top skin fits under the nose of the stab but from where it contacts the leading  edge, the skin will be cut almost straight upward. I will make a piece of .016  to connect from there back to the rudder fairing. that piece will rivet to the  rudder fairing and screw to nutplates at the rear top skin.

  

 BTW I assume we have to make some sort of L  brackets to secure the rudder fairing to the top of the stab with nutplates but  I haven't seen any instructions regarding that. Have you? I'm sure they're  written somewhere, but where?

  

 Got enough rain yet?

  

 Ed

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japhillipsga(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: CH601 hung up in a tree

Ed, if I remember you rivet pieces of "L" angle on the top of the stab that fit inside the fiberglass cover. I built by the plans and rivetted the cover down under the turtdle deck skin and to the brackets. When  at annual I needed to see inside there to inspect so I drilled out the rivets and reinstalled with nutplates. Would have been a lot easier before I painted, Best regards, Bill

 

 

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