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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:22 am Post subject: Second Airplane?

Are there any -10 builders keeping their two place planes or planning on building a two place plane while keeping their -10?  

I am considering a 7A or 8A plus the -10 (first flight Q2/2008) but I believe the -10 is such a good balance in efficiency that I probably can’t justify another Vans model other than I want it. Note acrobatics is nice but not an requirement for me.   

   

Robin  

   

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noels(at)midrivers.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: Second Airplane?

Robin,    

   

I get a chance to fly several different RV’s thought the year.  The RV-10 I built was great for XC, lousy for “checking the Cows”.  The RV-7 I just watched fly over the horizon to its new home was great for Checking cows and could easily do some shorter XC like 1.5 hours.  The -7 was easier and faster to get out of the shop and in the air than the -10.  So what I am saying is you NEED both!  Don’t need cows there are plenty other people have those scattered around. If you are going to go somewhere get in the -10 if you are just going to be with one other person eating pancakes within 30 minutes of the house get in the -7.   Interestingly enough you might think about having the same panel design for both aircraft. That way you will not get lost bouncing between the two.  

   

   

   

Daily time I have spent in each model and comments  

   

RV-6A =            7hours              really ready to get out  

RV-7 =              6hours              just right, did sleep good that night   

RV-8A =            9hours              should have gotten out 4 hours earlier  

RV-9A=             13.7hours          should have gotten out 9 hours earlier  

RV-10 =            10.5hours          was ready for diner and could have flown a few more hours.  

   

Now when Van’s get the motor glider up you will NEED one of those too.  

   

Noel Simmons  

A&P  CFI  

Builder of fine aircraft  

www.blueskyaviation.net  

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks

 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:22 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Second Airplane?  

  

   

Are there any -10 builders keeping their two place planes or planning on building a two place plane while keeping their -10?  

I am considering a 7A or 8A plus the -10 (first flight Q2/2008) but I believe the -10 is such a good balance in efficiency that I probably can’t justify another Vans model other than I want it. Note acrobatics is nice but not an requirement for me.   

   

Robin  

   

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: Second Airplane?

I may keep my Glastar.  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks

 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:22 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Second Airplane?  

  

   

Are there any -10 builders keeping their two place planes or planning on building a two place plane while keeping their -10?  

I am considering a 7A or 8A plus the -10 (first flight Q2/2008) but I believe the -10 is such a good balance in efficiency that I probably can’t justify another Vans model other than I want it. Note acrobatics is nice but not an requirement for me.   

   

Robin  

   

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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: Second Airplane?

Noel,  

                Very funny. My thinking was probably a 7A. I believe you described my situation pretty well except we look for whales more than cows on the left coast. I also have a regular 55 minute commute that would work well for either plane. I am dying to order an 8A because I would probably like the a war bird paint scheme but the side by side is more practical and I suspect more comfortable, especially when giving tours.    

                The matching panels is a good idea in theory but I hope the 7A will cost just a touch more than my -10 panel. I think the small plane that I NEED will be an all glass VFR bird vs. a hard IFR traveler.   

   

Robin    

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Simmons

 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:40 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Second Airplane?  

  

  

   

Robin,    

   

I get a chance to fly several different RV’s thought the year.  The RV-10 I built was great for XC, lousy for “checking the Cows”.  The RV-7 I just watched fly over the horizon to its new home was great for Checking cows and could easily do some shorter XC like 1.5 hours.  The -7 was easier and faster to get out of the shop and in the air than the -10.  So what I am saying is you NEED both!  Don’t need cows there are plenty other people have those scattered around. If you are going to go somewhere get in the -10 if you are just going to be with one other person eating pancakes within 30 minutes of the house get in the -7.   Interestingly enough you might think about having the same panel design for both aircraft. That way you will not get lost bouncing between the two.  

   

   

   

Daily time I have spent in each model and comments  

   

RV-6A =            7hours              really ready to get out  

RV-7 =              6hours              just right, did sleep good that night   

RV-8A =            9hours              should have gotten out 4 hours earlier  

RV-9A=             13.7hours          should have gotten out 9 hours earlier  

RV-10 =            10.5hours          was ready for diner and could have flown a few more hours.  

   

Now when Van’s get the motor glider up you will NEED one of those too.  

   

Noel Simmons  

A&P  CFI  

Builder of fine aircraft  

www.blueskyaviation.net  

   

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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: Second Airplane?

Robin, I kept my RV6 along with the 10 for a few months.  The fuel prices took a huge leap during the 10 construction and I thought that the 6 would facilitate "puddle jumping" but I found out that:

My wife would not fly in the 6 any longer considering the additional passenger comfort the 10 offers.

It was too much work for me to keep both plane serviced, safe and ready since I gravitated to work on the 10 more often.

It does not cost a whole lot more to operate the 10.



So after a few months, I sold my 6.



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On Sep 9, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Robin Marks wrote:

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		  Are there any -10 builders keeping their two place planes or planning on building a two place plane while keeping their -10?

I am considering a 7A or 8A plus the -10 (first flight Q2/2008) but I believe the -10 is such a good balance in efficiency that I probably can’t justify another Vans model other than I want it. Note acrobatics is nice but not an requirement for me.

 

Robin

 

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: Second Airplane?

My Glastar panel is GRT Sport EFIS with backup partial panel and a TT Pictorial Pilot with a SL30 and G320. I am currently using XM weather in the Glastar. My 10 (not yet flying) has dual Cheltons as primary and a GRT Sport for backup and weather and a TT digitrak. I have found that after using the glass for a while a person’s brain just rewires for the functions needed. If I keep the Glastar, it will be for low and slow and training my children.   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks

 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 10:42 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Second Airplane?  

  

   

Noel,  

                Very funny. My thinking was probably a 7A. I believe you described my situation pretty well except we look for whales more than cows on the left coast. I also have a regular 55 minute commute that would work well for either plane. I am dying to order an 8A because I would probably like the a war bird paint scheme but the side by side is more practical and I suspect more comfortable, especially when giving tours.    

                The matching panels is a good idea in theory but I hope the 7A will cost just a touch more than my -10 panel. I think the small plane that I NEED will be an all glass VFR bird vs. a hard IFR traveler.   

   

Robin    

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Simmons

 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:40 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Second Airplane?  

  

  

   

Robin,    

   

I get a chance to fly several different RV’s thought the year.  The RV-10 I built was great for XC, lousy for “checking the Cows”.  The RV-7 I just watched fly over the horizon to its new home was great for Checking cows and could easily do some shorter XC like 1.5 hours.  The -7 was easier and faster to get out of the shop and in the air than the -10.  So what I am saying is you NEED both!  Don’t need cows there are plenty other people have those scattered around. If you are going to go somewhere get in the -10 if you are just going to be with one other person eating pancakes within 30 minutes of the house get in the -7.   Interestingly enough you might think about having the same panel design for both aircraft. That way you will not get lost bouncing between the two.  

   

   

   

Daily time I have spent in each model and comments  

   

RV-6A =            7hours              really ready to get out  

RV-7 =              6hours              just right, did sleep good that night   

RV-8A =            9hours              should have gotten out 4 hours earlier  

RV-9A=             13.7hours          should have gotten out 9 hours earlier  

RV-10 =            10.5hours          was ready for diner and could have flown a few more hours.  

   

Now when Van’s get the motor glider up you will NEED one of those too.  

   

Noel Simmons  

A&P  CFI  

Builder of fine aircraft  

www.blueskyaviation.net  

   

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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: Second Airplane?

Ron,  

                That is my concern, that I go to all the trouble and expense of another build and find I don’t NEED it or don’t fly enough hours to satisfy both planes. I currently fly about 150 hours/ year (average since certified in early 2002). Is a 100 RV-10 hours & 50 7A hours/year reasonable? Maybe, but maybe all RV-10 time would be OK too? Hummmmm tough call.   

Need & Want, it’s funny where they fall on the graph of life.  

Thanks for your input,  

Robin  

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj

 Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:14 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subjeconcern,ct: Re: Second Airplane?  

  

  

Ron,  

   

Robin, I kept my RV6 along with the 10 for a few months.  The fuel prices took a huge leap during the 10 construction and I thought that the 6 would facilitate "puddle jumping" but I found out that:    

   

    

My wife would not fly in the 6 any longer considering the additional passenger comfort the 10 offers.  

    

It was too much work for me to keep both plane serviced, safe and ready since I gravitated to work on the 10 more often.  

    

It does not cost a whole lot more to operate the 10.  

    

   

    

So after a few months, I sold my 6.  

    

   

    

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On Sep 9, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Robin Marks wrote:  

  



 

       

Are there any -10 builders keeping their two place planes or planning on building a two place plane while keeping their -10?  

    

I am considering a 7A or 8A plus the -10 (first flight Q2/2008) but I believe the -10 is such a good balance in efficiency that I probably can’t justify another Vans model other than I want it. Note acrobatics is nice but not an requirement for me.  

    

   

    

Robin  

    

   

    

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n212pj(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: Second Airplane?

Needs and wants.  Do any of us really NEED an RV-10,  or any airplane, for that matter?  Some justify the plane as an efficient  means to visit the grandparents or grandkids, who live in a place that is  difficult and expensive to get to via public transportation.  Some use  planes for short business trips.  But, by in large, most of us don't need  these planes, other than to satisfy some inner need to be a pilot and experience  the joy of flight.  I believe this, and the relative low cost and ability  to work on them, is what has made the RV's so amazingly popular.  They are  a joy to fly.  Maybe not so practical or comfortable, but a joy to  fly.  Then along comes the RV-10.  More practical, and still has a  flying quality that makes it fun.  Plus, the pride of building it, working  on it, outfitting it, painting it your own design, yadda yadda yadda.   

  

 There's an RV-10 builder in Oregon, not far from me, who  currently owns a Glastar and just rebuilt a Super Cub.  He's selling the  Glastar and keeping the Cub.  Big tundra tires on it.  Beautiful  plane.  He loves flying into the back woods and landing on river banks to  do some camping and fishing.  He was doing this with the Glastar, but it  just couldn't match what his friends were able to do with their Cubs and  Maules.  He also likes to get up and go to visit family and friends and so  on.  If he has a Super Cub, forget speed.  Forget comfort for the back  seater (he usually flies with his dog in back in the Cub.  He only has a  sling seat back there, anyway.)  So, since his absolute passion is flying,  he felt the need for two planes to match his two missions.  Besides, he has  the money to do it.  

  

 You don't need any of these planes, unless that need stems  from passion.  Of course any addiction can be described the same way.   

  

 The RV-10 is a good, all around compromise.  Fast,  carries a bunch, but is still a lot better handling than a Cessna 206, and  carries more than a Bonanza 35 or 33.  You built it and that is  satisfying.  You work on it, so that lessens ownership cost and is  rewarding in its own right.  But you can't land it on real short or rough  airstrips, let alone sand bars.  It's a little more expensive than a two  seat RV for that $100 breakfast, but just how much more it costs is rather  silly to think about when you've already ploughed over $100,000 into it.   So that ham and eggs cost another $10.  What's the big deal?  Are you  worried that you won't just go flying some evening because of the largeness of  it or the shear joy of zooming through the ether?  Well, that's a good  point.  I hear that strapping on an RV-3 is pretty amazing if you want to  just go zoom.  

  

 Naa, best to think about the mission and not the cost of  operations.  You want to play fighter pilot, then build a two seater that  handles as if you and it are neurologically linked.  You want to land on  sand bars, get a Cub or Glastar.  You want to take friends and family in  comfort to the Reno Air Races, finish the 10.  You want to do a  combination?  Then you've got some real good options in front of you, and  you'll soon be saying to your buds that you can never have too many  airplanes!  

  

 No matter the road, you have some real good fun in  store.  

  

 John J

   328.  



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin  Marks

Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:03 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Second  Airplane?

 

  

Ron, 

                 That is my concern, that I go to all the trouble and expense of another build  and find I don’t NEED it or don’t fly enough hours to satisfy both planes. I  currently fly about 150 hours/ year (average since certified in early 2002). Is  a 100 RV-10 hours & 50 7A hours/year reasonable? Maybe, but maybe all RV-10  time would be OK too? Hummmmm tough call.  

Need  & Want, it’s funny where they fall on the graph of  life. 

Thanks  for your input, 

Robin 

Do  Not Archive 

  

    

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob  Kermanj

Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:14 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subjeconcern,ct: Re: Second  Airplane?



 

Ron, 

  

Robin, I kept my RV6 along with the 10 for a few months.   The fuel prices took a huge leap during the 10 construction and I thought  that the 6 would facilitate "puddle jumping" but I found out  that:  

 

  

My wife would not fly in the 6 any longer considering the  additional passenger comfort the 10 offers.

  

It was too much work for me to keep both plane serviced, safe  and ready since I gravitated to work on the 10 more often.

  

It does not cost a whole lot more to operate the  10.

  

 

  

So after a few months, I sold my 6.

  

 

  

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On Sep 9, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Robin Marks  wrote:

 

   

Are  there any -10 builders keeping their two place planes or planning on building a  two place plane while keeping their -10?

  

I am  considering a 7A or 8A plus the -10 (first flight Q2/2008) but I believe the -10  is such a good balance in efficiency that I probably can’t justify another Vans  model other than I want it. Note acrobatics is nice but not an requirement for  me.

  

 

  

Robin

  

 

  

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Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: Second Airplane?

I always figured I need 4 airplanes:

  

 One for low and slow fun flying

 One for aerobatics

 One for travel

 One seaplane

  

 Currently I have 2 planes that fill 3 of those  needs:

  

 Pietenpol Air Camper for low and slow (can't beat an open  cockpit with a 29 mph stall speed)

 RV4 (good for travel as long as you're not carrying much  luggage, and reasonably good for aerobatics)

  

 I'll sell the RV4 when I finish the -10.  By then  maybe my need for aerobatics will have lessened.  Maybe I'll put the -10 on  floats...

  

 Jack Phillips

 #40610

 Finished the Tail kit, waiting through Financial Hold to  order the QB wings and fuselage



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John  Jessen

Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:09 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Second  Airplane?

 

 Needs and wants.  Do any of us really NEED an RV-10,  or any airplane, for that matter?  Some justify the plane as an efficient  means to visit the grandparents or grandkids, who live in a place that is  difficult and expensive to get to via public transportation.  Some use  planes for short business trips.  But, by in large, most of us don't need  these planes, other than to satisfy some inner need to be a pilot and experience  the joy of flight.  I believe this, and the relative low cost and ability  to work on them, is what has made the RV's so amazingly popular.  They are  a joy to fly.  Maybe not so practical or comfortable, but a joy to  fly.  Then along comes the RV-10.  More practical, and still has a  flying quality that makes it fun.  Plus, the pride of building it, working  on it, outfitting it, painting it your own design, yadda yadda yadda.   

  

 There's an RV-10 builder in Oregon, not far from me, who  currently owns a Glastar and just rebuilt a Super Cub.  He's selling the  Glastar and keeping the Cub.  Big tundra tires on it.  Beautiful  plane.  He loves flying into the back woods and landing on river banks to  do some camping and fishing.  He was doing this with the Glastar, but it  just couldn't match what his friends were able to do with their Cubs and  Maules.  He also likes to get up and go to visit family and friends and so  on.  If he has a Super Cub, forget speed.  Forget comfort for the back  seater (he usually flies with his dog in back in the Cub.  He only has a  sling seat back there, anyway.)  So, since his absolute passion is flying,  he felt the need for two planes to match his two missions.  Besides, he has  the money to do it.  

  

 You don't need any of these planes, unless that need stems  from passion.  Of course any addiction can be described the same way.   

  

 The RV-10 is a good, all around compromise.  Fast,  carries a bunch, but is still a lot better handling than a Cessna 206, and  carries more than a Bonanza 35 or 33.  You built it and that is  satisfying.  You work on it, so that lessens ownership cost and is  rewarding in its own right.  But you can't land it on real short or rough  airstrips, let alone sand bars.  It's a little more expensive than a two  seat RV for that $100 breakfast, but just how much more it costs is rather  silly to think about when you've already ploughed over $100,000 into it.   So that ham and eggs cost another $10.  What's the big deal?  Are you  worried that you won't just go flying some evening because of the largeness of  it or the shear joy of zooming through the ether?  Well, that's a good  point.  I hear that strapping on an RV-3 is pretty amazing if you want to  just go zoom.  

  

 Naa, best to think about the mission and not the cost of  operations.  You want to play fighter pilot, then build a two seater that  handles as if you and it are neurologically linked.  You want to land on  sand bars, get a Cub or Glastar.  You want to take friends and family in  comfort to the Reno Air Races, finish the 10.  You want to do a  combination?  Then you've got some real good options in front of you, and  you'll soon be saying to your buds that you can never have too many  airplanes!  

  

 No matter the road, you have some real good fun in  store.  

  

 John J

   328.  



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin  Marks

Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:03 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Second  Airplane?

 

  

Ron, 

                 That is my concern, that I go to all the trouble and expense of another build  and find I don’t NEED it or don’t fly enough hours to satisfy both planes. I  currently fly about 150 hours/ year (average since certified in early 2002). Is  a 100 RV-10 hours & 50 7A hours/year reasonable? Maybe, but maybe all RV-10  time would be OK too? Hummmmm tough call.  

Need  & Want, it’s funny where they fall on the graph of  life. 

Thanks  for your input, 

Robin 

Do  Not Archive 

  

    

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob  Kermanj

Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:14 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subjeconcern,ct: Re: Second  Airplane?



 

Ron, 

  

Robin, I kept my RV6 along with the 10 for a few months E   The fuel prices took a huge leap during the 10 construction and I thought  that the 6 would facilitate "puddle jumping" but I found out  that:  

 

  

My wife would not fly in the 6 any longer considering the  additional passenger comfort the 10 offers.

  

It was too much work for me to keep both plane serviced, safe  and ready since I gravitated to work on the 10 more often.

  

It does not cost a whole lot more to operate the  10.

  

 

  

So after a few months, I sold my 6.

  

 

  

Do not archive.

  

 

  

    

On Sep 9, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Robin Marks  wrote:

 

   

Are  there any -10 builders keeping their two place planes or planning on building a  two place plane while keeping their -10?

  

I am  considering a 7A or 8A plus the -10 (first flight Q2/2008) but I believe the -10  is such a good balance in efficiency that I probably can’t justify another Vans  model other than I want it. Note acrobatics is nice but not an requirement for  me.

  

 

  

Robin

  

 

  

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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: Second Airplane?

Robin,  

    I’ve built several airplanes, the first 3 were 2 seaters of various missions before building my -10.  The 10 is a fantastic cross country machine and as everyone has indicated is by far the most comfortable of all the Van’s airplanes for the passenger (my last airplane was a RV-6).  I too am considering another airplane in the future.  Right now I get all the acro I need courtesy of the USAF, but that will come to an end in just over a year so I am planning on getting an aerobatic biplane (my second project was a Skybolt and I really miss it).  Since you said aerobatics were not really a priority I would suggest the -10 would suit your needs pretty well and the expense of maintenance and insurance alone would far outweigh any savings in fuel while flying a 7.  So, my 2 cents are if you have a significantly different desire – amphib, acro, low and slow, etc then a second airplane would be great.  Otherwise I’d stick with the 10 until you feel it isn’t meeting your needs/wants.  

   

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks

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Ron,  

                That is my concern, that I go to all the trouble and expense of another build and find I don’t NEED it or don’t fly enough hours to satisfy both planes. I currently fly about 150 hours/ year (average since certified in early 2002). Is a 100 RV-10 hours & 50 7A hours/year reasonable? Maybe, but maybe all RV-10 time would be OK too? Hummmmm tough call.   

Need & Want, it’s funny where they fall on the graph of life.  

Thanks for your input,  

Robin  

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Ron,  

   

Robin, I kept my RV6 along with the 10 for a few months.  The fuel prices took a huge leap during the 10 construction and I thought that the 6 would facilitate "puddle jumping" but I found out that:    

   

    

My wife would not fly in the 6 any longer considering the additional passenger comfort the 10 offers.  

    

It was too much work for me to keep both plane serviced, safe and ready since I gravitated to work on the 10 more often.  

    

It does not cost a whole lot more to operate the 10.  

    

   

    

So after a few months, I sold my 6.  

    

   

    

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Are there any -10 builders keeping their two place planes or planning on building a two place plane while keeping their -10?  

    

I am considering a 7A or 8A plus the -10 (first flight Q2/2008) but I believe the -10 is such a good balance in efficiency that I probably can’t justify another Vans model other than I want it. Note acrobatics is nice but not an requirement for me.  

    

   

    

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dmasys(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: Second Airplane?

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 From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>

 Ron,

                 That is my concern, that I go to all the trouble and

 expense of another build and find I don't NEED it or don't fly enough

 hours to satisfy both planes. I currently fly about 150 hours/ year

 (average since certified in early 2002). Is a 100 RV-10 hours & 50 7A

 hours/year reasonable? Maybe, but maybe all RV-10 time would be OK too?

 Hummmmm tough call. 

I'm currently paying for two hangars and trying to fly both my -10 and -7A often enough to keep them both healthy.  The -10 isn't painted yet and the plan is to keep the -7A at least until the -10 comes back from the paint shop.  My current experience is similar to that already posted -- whenever I really want to go somewhere for travel purposes, the -10 is the hands down winner.  A real sweetheart of a cross country traveler in terms of comfort, speed, and information systems.  

But the -7A is such a hoot, with its 2500 fpm climb rate, aerobatic capability, and responsive controls.  I just love taking the -7A out on a yank and bank excursion with a few aileron rolls after sitting in the plush cockpit of the -10 for a long x-country.  When I take up Boy Scouts or Young Eagles and give them the controls, its always in the -7A since the experience is not unlike an aerial motorcycle, where the -10 is more like an aerial Lexus.

Since both of them are paid for, the controlling factor will almost certainly be the long term maintenance.  Both need attention, and time spent doing maintenance is time not flying;  hangar queens definitely don't age gracefully.

Having two airplanes definitely teaches you the meaning of the term "possessions" -- they are things that possess you!

-Dan Masys

Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: Second Airplane?

Even though I'm not yet flying. I've considered this myself. I just 

can't conceive of selling my -10. just toooo much love has gone into it, 

not to mention the sweat and tears. But the desire for a 'toy'  never 

goes away. I've considered a partnership in a -7 / -8, particularly if 

the other partner/s held the repairman's certificate.

anybody in the PHX area want to share a -7 / -8?

Deems Davis # 406

Will this heat never end.....???????

http://deemsrv10.com/

Dan Masys wrote:

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> Subject: RE: Second Airplane?

> From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>

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> Ron,

>

>                 That is my concern, that I go to all the trouble and

> expense of another build and find I don't NEED it or don't fly enough

> hours to satisfy both planes. I currently fly about 150 hours/ year

> (average since certified in early 2002). Is a 100 RV-10 hours & 50 7A

> hours/year reasonable? Maybe, but maybe all RV-10 time would be OK too?

> Hummmmm tough call. 

>     

 I'm currently paying for two hangars and trying to fly both my -10 and -7A often enough to keep them both healthy.  The -10 isn't painted yet and the plan is to keep the -7A at least until the -10 comes back from the paint shop.  My current experience is similar to that already posted -- whenever I really want to go somewhere for travel purposes, the -10 is the hands down winner.  A real sweetheart of a cross country traveler in terms of comfort, speed, and information systems.  

 But the -7A is such a hoot, with its 2500 fpm climb rate, aerobatic capability, and responsive controls.  I just love taking the -7A out on a yank and bank excursion with a few aileron rolls after sitting in the plush cockpit of the -10 for a long x-country.  When I take up Boy Scouts or Young Eagles and give them the controls, its always in the -7A since the experience is not unlike an aerial motorcycle, where the -10 is more like an aerial Lexus.

 Since both of them are paid for, the controlling factor will almost certainly be the long term maintenance.  Both need attention, and time spent doing maintenance is time not flying;  hangar queens definitely don't age gracefully.

 Having two airplanes definitely teaches you the meaning of the term "possessions" -- they are things that possess you!

 -Dan Masys

rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: Second Airplane?

I'm actually considering building a LongEZ once the -10 is done.  Not too expensive to build and cheaper to fly with speed equivalent to the 10.  Of course I have to do that pesky house remodel first in order to appease the wife.    Bring on the fiberglass!



Michael



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