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Darrellhaas(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: EAA

In an effort to  always learn more about our planes I thought about joining EAA. Which magazine  do people recommend for experimental private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine  or the Sport Pilot Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL  but may exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all  the great info on the list.

  

 Darrell Haas

 Fairview, Oregon

  

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psm(at)ATT.NET
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: EAA

Hi Darrell,



 Welcome aboard.  



 I started building my Zodiac XL a couple of years ago and joined the EAA about the same time.  At first I got the Sport Pilot magazine, but now I get both of them.  The Sport Pilot magazine has planes and other stuff more appropriate for Sport Pilots, but it is rather small.  The larger Sport Aviation magazine has lots of planes a Sport Pilot can't fly, but it also has lots of "Generic" flying information valuable to a Sport Pilot.  This includes articles on the latest avionics,  flying skill articles, and many others that I find interesting and informative.



 I also recommend you try attending meetings of one or more of the local EAA chapters.  There is one that I belong to based in Vancouver, WA and another (much larger) chapter based in Hillsboro, OR.  At local chapters you meet lots of people who can help you along with your building project and also just meet people who share your interests.



 Good luck,



 Paul

 XL fuselage

 Camas, WA



 

 At 07:35 PM 7/21/2007, you wrote:

 [quote]    In an effort to always learn more about our planes I thought about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend for experimental private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the Sport Pilot Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL but may exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all the great info on the list.

  

 Darrell Haas

 Fairview, Oregon[b]

burbby

Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Posts: 34
Location: Millsap, TX

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:47 am Post subject: EAA

I like the Sport Pilot the best.   But if i was interested in something more than sport pilot also i would try both magazines.

   

  Thanks

  Gary

planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:54 am Post subject: EAA

I get both of them and there is a lot of duplication. Sport Aviation is still the instrument of choice for the moneyed and Sport Pilot is not much better - but would be my choice if I were only getting one of them



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jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: EAA

Darrell,  

            Since you plan to build, Kitplanes has been excellent for builders recently.  They are currently running a series about building a fast-build 601 XL kit with a Corvair engine.  It also has good "how to" articles in each edition.    

            Jeff  

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:01 am Post subject: EAA

hi Darrel,

The Sport Pilot Magazine mirrors Sport Aviation, but seems to not 

include so much about high powered aircraft, etc.  I take both, get more 

out of the Sport pilot mag

but prefer Kit Planes to either of them.  The grass roots are covered 

better from Kit Planes and you see a lot more construction details over 

a long period of time.

Sport Planes tends to work and write to a less mature audience and deal 

with light subject matter rather than getting too involved with 

projects.  Its predecessor, Experimental Aviation Mag was written with 

the full coverage and in-depth detail that made it a valued and 

collectible magazine.  A library that had a few years of that magazine 

had an invaluable reference that neither of the current EAA publications 

can duplicate.

The SLA movement and quick assembly kits have obscured the value of 

knowing how things work and go together. You have to buy the Bingelis 

series books and a few others to find the best of that kind of information.



Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com

Darrell Haas wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		         In an effort to always learn more about our planes I thought 

 about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend for experimental 

 private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the Sport Pilot 

 Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL but may 

 exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all 

 the great info on the list.

  

 Darrell Haas

 Fairview, Oregon

  

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milreed(at)wildblue.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:36 am Post subject: EAA

Plenty of glitzy, bling, bling magazines that slip  right off the table. Kitplanes and Ultra Flight as well as ZAC's quarterly  magazine I like to read. I would like to see a pulp paper magazine like the old  Popular Mechanics that showed you how to make a coffee table out of a door ( I  did them one better, I made a door out of a coffee table). Any way Ladies and  guys, are there any other magazines lower on the food chain so to  speak??????

 Mil

 PS (The -F- word around our place is"  FAT")  

        

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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:30 am Post subject: EAA

Darrell,

  

     I spent more time reading  Kitplanes than I did both "EAA Sport" publications combined before I dropped  Sport Pilot.

  

 Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN

  

 "Hope for the best,

but prepare for the  worst."

  

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rsteele(at)rjsit.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: EAA

Does anybody remember Custom Planes?  I'm not sure it's still around. I used to buy it at Tower Records which isn't around either.  I've never found it anywhere else.  There is a web address but it doesn't answer up.  Just curious.



Ron



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[quote]Darrell,

 

    I spent more time reading Kitplanes than I did both "EAA Sport" publications combined before I dropped Sport Pilot.

 

Raymond JulianKettle River, MN

 

"Hope for the best,but prepare for the worst."

 

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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: EAA

Custom Plane was bought by a "bigger" fish in the Kitplane field and was closed down & the staff let go. If ya can't compete & ya'll have the money, buy them out & shut them down. But "they" did give everyone "'til the end of the week to vacate" no easy way out, Your Gone..  KABONG Do Not Archive

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Date: 2007/07/22 Sun PM 03:24:21 CDT

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

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		  Does anybody remember Custom Planes?Ã‚Â  I'm not sure it's still around. I used to buy it at Tower Records which isn't around either.Ã‚Â  I've never found it anywhere else.Ã‚Â  There is a web address but it doesn't answer up.Ã‚Â  Just curious

paulrod36(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: EAA

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Would one of our MBAs out there explain (in small words) why anyone would  want to buy out a competitor and then kill it off? Selling the building and  presses, or tools, makes for a nice one-time profit, but running two competitors  against each other makes them both improve, and running them in tandem makes the  beginnings of an empire.  Lemme go back to nuclear warfare; it was much  less complicated.

  

 Paul Rodriguez

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jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: EAA

Paul,  

            I'm not an MBA, but it goes like this.  In the end companies are primarily responsible for making a profit.  Say company x has 30 percent of a market.  Buying a competitor (company y) that has 20 percent gives company x 50 percent of the market in a flash.  It is the fastest way to grow the business quickly.  Along the way, company x gets whatever product earned Company Y 20 percent of the market to begin with.  And customers have fewer options.    

            Now look at the avionics market.  Not long ago Garmin was an unknown.  Bendix-King, Apollo, Narco, and others were it.  Most of these companies were bought by someone.  And there were new competitors like Becker and the Australian firms.  Garmin had lots of know-how and built great products eclipsing the May-Tag of avionics Bendix-King.  Then it bought Apollo (aka UPS).  It not only got market share there, it also got a great product the SL30 NAV/COM.  Through good products and great business moves, Garmin dominates the avionics market today.    

            The Southern Aviator publication was purchased a while back.  Just this month I got the notice it will stop being published.  The writers that made it a great regional paper, since they were what made the paper grow, are now going to write for the new owners' publication gaining the market share and a better product.  That should result in more ad sales for them.    

            Jeff D             

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Would one of our MBAs out there explain (in small words) why anyone would want to buy out a competitor and then kill it off? Selling the building and presses, or tools, makes for a nice one-time profit, but running two competitors against each other makes them both improve, and running them in tandem makes the beginnings of an empire.  Lemme go back to nuclear warfare; it was much less complicated.  

    

   

    

Paul Rodriguez  

    

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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: EAA

Ron,

  

 I subscribed to Custom Planes about a year ago.  About 3 months later I got a notice that it had been swallowed by Plane and  Pilot but would live on as a column in the mag. I was given the balance of the  subscription for Plane and Pilot (whoopie).

  

 Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN

  

 "Hope for the best,

but prepare for the  worst."

  

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:22 am Post subject: EAA

simple capture of greater market share,  the client list, direction the buyer is taking in growth.  Some companies can't or wont spendmoney to create somethingnew, so they grow the product line by buying a new line off some one, or buying some one out.  Look at NORTHROP buying Burt Rutan out.  Much smaller company right?  How ever look at Burt rutan's technology and if NORTHROP takes Scaled COmposite(Spaceship One) and pumps more money into it, they now will control a new tchnology to take private industry into space, and they took a potential competitor out before they grew into a problem.



Juan



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crvsecretary

Joined: 18 Mar 2007
Posts: 38
Location: Naugatuck, CT

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: EAA

Hello Paul:

  

 All of the economic explanations offered make a lot of sense - but let me  add something else interesting about the magazine publishing business: the  amount of hard asset many of these magazines own are incredibly small.  I  have not yet seen a magazine that had its own publication facilities (read:  printing presses, bindery, and mailing/distribution equipment) and only the  large ones have in-house graphic designers and pre-press facilities.

  

 The magazine industry lives on subcontracting essential services like  layout and design, and the actual production is done by huge specialty printing  concerns whose majority of the business is magazines.  I have been in some  plants that would not even consider a press run of under 100,000.....one  facility I have seen would not take a run under 1 million.

  

 My point to all this remains that magazines own little except a  subscription list and goodwill in the form of a name and reputation.  It's  difficult to estimate the value of such a business except to investigate  industry norms, such as an "X" multiplier of gross sales.  

  

 Shutting down Custom Planes was easy...just add $$$$$.

  

 Regards,

  

 Tracy

  

  

  

  

  

  

 In a message dated 7/22/2007 4:22:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,  paulrod36(at)msn.com writes:

 [quote]      Would one of our MBAs out there explain (in small words) why anyone would    want to buy out a competitor and then kill it off? Selling the building and    presses, or tools, makes for a nice one-time profit, but running two    competitors against each other makes them both improve, and running them in    tandem makes the beginnings of an empire.  Lemme go back to nuclear    warfare; it was much less complicated.

    

   Paul Rodriguez

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ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
Posts: 723

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: Re: EAA

[quote="Darrellhaas(at)verizon.ne"]In an effort to  always learn more about our planes I thought about joining EAA. Which magazine  do people recommend for experimental private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine  or the Sport Pilot Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL  but may exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all  the great info on the list.

  

 Darrell Haas

 Fairview, Oregon

  

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I don't like either one. They're just flashy rags anymore. They used to put out the Experimenter which was great. These new one's are advertizement filled and watered down for the ignorant masses, which is odd because I don't know any stupid people building planes. They seem about as relevent anymore to home builder's as Flying magazine is. Experimenter was pretty hardcore. They had some cool old timer articles in there about where designs came from and whatnot. It just had a more grassroots feel to it rather than this glossy bling-bling advertsement filled thing they put out now.



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ccwacker(at)HOTMAIL.COM
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: EAA

I like Sport Aviation best. The Sport Pilot issue is basically a condensed 

version of Sport Aviation.



Chuck Wacker

N601CW Quick Build

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To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:55:05 -0700






[quote="Darrellhaas(at)verizon.ne"]In an effort to  always learn more about 

our planes I thought about joining EAA. Which magazine  do people recommend 

for experimental private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine  or the Sport 

Pilot Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL  but may 

exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all  the 

great info on the list.



  Darrell Haas

  Fairview, Oregon



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I don't like either one. They're just flashy rags anymore. They used to put 

out the Experimenter which was great. These new one's are advertizement 

filled and watered down for the ignorant masses, which is odd because I 

don't know any stupid people building planes.



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