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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Europa Mod 74 Reply with quote

Europhiles everywhere – Francis Donaldson has asked me to advise you all that Europa Mod 74 is now on the Europa 2004 Ltd website, under Technical and then Modifications. There is a very strict time limit – within 10 hours from 1 August 2007. Mod 74 affects classic aircraft with foam-filled wings; those classic aircraft that do not already have Mod 52 (the weight increase mod) will be required to fit Mod 52 as part of Mod 74.

As it is Friday evening here, I cannot check with Roger Bull to find out what the lead time is going to be for the parts; but I am copying this to him, and hope that, in order to save every one of us ringing him, he will put a short statement on this forum to advise likely delivery availability.

I will also be forwarding to the forum, within a few minutes, a copy of an e-mail written by Francis to Ted Gladstone setting out the PFA’s view of the accident sequence; this is not a definitive account – that can only be issued by UK AAIB. However, Francis’s e-mail does give the reasoning behind the decisions to issue the MPD’s and now the Mods.

David, on behalf of PFA EC and Europa Club
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:04 am    Post subject: Europa Mod 74 Reply with quote

I think I should point out that Mod 74 does not call for Mod 52 to be incorporated if not already done so; the requirement is to fit a tie bar to the existing rear wing pin sockets, the tie bar being part of Mod 52 as well. Builders can of course fit Mod 52 in its entirety, which, plus the new pin arangement in the wing, will satisfy Mod 74.

We at Europa were unaware until earlier this week that the tie bar would be required, so it has been a rush to get the parts as soon as possible. If builders want to incorporate Mod 52 in its entirety the lead time will be longer, proably about 3 weeks, as it will be necessary to get extra supplies of the 3 part wing socket included in that Mod.

Getting out the Mod leaflet, sorting out the logistics, etc. has been a bit of a nightmare, so I would be extremely grateful if Richard Holder would come and take over the company - he would undoubtedly be able to offer a better and cheaper service, and then John and I would be able to retire on our (non-existent) ill gotten gains!

Regards,

Roger
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:52 am    Post subject: Europa Mod 74 Reply with quote

Hi Roger

You guys working on a Saturday – now that is what I call service and should qualify for at least double time! No complaints from me regarding the costs or the speed of response to our joint problems – and I am sure the majority of owners feel the same.

Just out of interest is there a lead time should I decide to do a full mod 52 instead of the new tie bar arrangement in Mod 74.

Kind regards

Pete

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Europa Mod 74 Reply with quote

Hi Roger,

I second Petes response and I would be happy to come and run the company but you would probably want me to work for free (just as RH expects you to).

I think we will ultimately opt for Mod 52 but not until the rush is over. I doubt we will get through the allowed 10hrs before the year is over if the present weather continues (today excepted).

You dont offer a submarine conversion for the Europa by any chance.

Keep up the good work.

Regards,

Carl Pattinson.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Europa Mod 74 Reply with quote

I appreciate the gentile restraint of Roger Bull's post almost as much
as I appreciate the value of Mod 74 as a measure of the analysis and
clear documentation prepared by the folks at E04 to enhance the
integrity of our fleet and the Europa brand rather than simply the
measure of the cost of bagging and shipping a few pieces of hardware.

Fred
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On Saturday, July 28, 2007, at 07:11 AM, Roger Bull wrote:

Quote:
I think I should point out that Mod 74 does not call for Mod 52 to be
incorporated if not already done so; the requirement is to fit a tie
bar to the existing rear wing pin sockets, the tie bar being part of
Mod 52 as well.� Builders can of course fit Mod 52 in its entirety,
which, plus the new pin arangement in the wing, will satisfy Mod 74.

We at Europa were unaware until earlier this week that the tie bar
would be required, so it has been a rush to get the parts as soon as
possible.� If builders want to incorporate Mod 52 in its entirety the
lead time will be longer, proably about 3 weeks, as it will be
necessary to get extra supplies of the 3 part wing socket included in
that Mod.

Getting out the Mod leaflet, sorting out the logistics, etc. has been
a bit of a nightmare, so I would be extremely grateful if Richard
Holder would come and take over the company - he would undoubtedly be�
able to offer a better and cheaper service, and then John and I would
be able to retire on our (non-existent) ill gotten gains!

Regards,

Roger
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pete(at)lawless.info
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: Europa Mod 74 Reply with quote

Roger

Having answered my own question re lead times by properly reading your original email another question; is there any reason why Mod 74 could not be done straight away and then at a latter date the remaining work to fully implement Mod 52 be completed. My concern would be that having installed the new wing pin for the existing fuselage sockets, will that then work with the new sockets required by Mod 52? Obviously if the adjustment of the new wing pin is required to subsequently implement Mod 52 then doing Mod 74 first would be a non starter.

Regards

Pete

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:19 am    Post subject: Europa Mod 74 Reply with quote

In a message dated 28/07/2007 15:05:18 GMT Daylight Time, roger(at)middlecave.plus.com writes:
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Getting out the Mod leaflet, sorting out the logistics, etc. has been a bit of a nightmare, so I would be extremely grateful if Richard Holder would come and take over the company - he would undoubtedly be able to offer a better and cheaper service, and then John and I would be able to retire on our (non-existent) ill gotten gains!



Well said Roger!!


Trev Pond
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:38 am    Post subject: Europa Mod 74 Reply with quote

Roger has to be diplomatic, I do not !
If gobby di**heads like Richard Holder are so upset with either the Europa plane itself, or the E04 operation, can he do us all a favour and sell his Europa to someone, and buy something else ?
If I were at E04, I would refuse to sell Richard the parts [ or any parts for that matter ], and ensure that he didn't get them via other owners.
Nev.

In a message dated 28/07/2007 15:05:18 GMT Daylight Time, roger(at)middlecave.plus.com (roger(at)middlecave.plus.com) writes:
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Getting out the Mod leaflet, sorting out the logistics, etc. has been a bit of a nightmare, so I would be extremely grateful if Richard Holder would come and take over the company - he would undoubtedly be able to offer a better and cheaper service, and then John and I would be able to retire on our (non-existent) ill gotten gains!




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alan(at)kestrel-insurance
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:12 pm    Post subject: Europa Mod 74 Reply with quote

Subtle as ever Nev. But I think you made your point. Now back in your basket rover J
Cheers Pal

Alan


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Roger has to be diplomatic, I do not !

If gobby di**heads like Richard Holder are so upset with either the Europa plane itself, or the E04 operation, can he do us all a favour and sell his Europa to someone, and buy something else ?
If I were at E04, I would refuse to sell Richard the parts [ or any parts for that matter ], and ensure that he didn't get them via other owners.
Nev.

In a message dated 28/07/2007 15:05:18 GMT Daylight Time, roger(at)middlecave.plus.com (roger(at)middlecave.plus.com) writes:
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Getting out the Mod leaflet, sorting out the logistics, etc. has been a bit of a nightmare, so I would be extremely grateful if Richard Holder would come and take over the company - he would undoubtedly be able to offer a better and cheaper service, and then John and I would be able to retire on our (non-existent) ill gotten gains!





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