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bsponcil(at)belinblank.or
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: Painting

Anyone on the list planning to paint their -10?  I'm currently debating it 

and am wondering what others thought.  I'm not considering it as a way to 

save money but rather as a "fun" challenge. Of course the wife thinks I'm 

nuts and I probably am. Still, I'm wondering if there are some people on our 

list that have painted a previous RV-<insert 3-9 here> project and would 

like to pass on their opinions.



FWIW - a guy in our EAA chapter just finished his -7 which he painted 

himself in a 4 color military scheme. He was really happy with the way it 

turned out but said painting was a LONG and TEDIOUS process and he'd 

probably elect to forgo it if he ever does another project.



-Brian



N211BD

#40497

jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject: Painting

Brian,

    Check Tim Olsen's web site.  He painted his -10 and it looks great!

johncram(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: Painting

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Look at Tom Olsen's

  

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randy(at)romeolima.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: Painting

 	  Quote: 	
		   Anyone on the list planning to paint their -10?  I'm currently debating it 

 and am wondering what others thought.  I'm not considering it as a way to 

 save money but rather as a "fun" challenge. Of course the wife thinks I'm 

 nuts and I probably am. Still, I'm wondering if there are some people on 

 our list that have painted a previous RV-<insert 3-9 here> project and 

 would like to pass on their opinions.



 FWIW - a guy in our EAA chapter just finished his -7 which he painted 

 himself in a 4 color military scheme. He was really happy with the way it 

 turned out but said painting was a LONG and TEDIOUS process and he'd 

 probably elect to forgo it if he ever does another project.


	


You know, I painted my RV-8 and didn't think it was especially long and 

tedious compared to other stages of the construction. Overall I'm glad I did 

it and plan to repeat the process for the RV-3 I'm currently building. If 

you're curious, my RV-8 paint experience is detailed here...

http://www.romeolima.com/RV8/Paint.htm



Randy Lervold

www.rv-3.com

www.rv-8.com

n8vim(at)arrl.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: Painting

Tom? You mean Tim has a brother?!

*hehe*



John Cram wrote:



[quote] Look at Tom Olsen's

  

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carl.froehlich(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: Painting

You built the rest of the plane - why not paint it?



I painted my RV-8A, I'll paint my RV-10.  Paint set up was a make shift

paint booth in the hanger, wings and empennage painted off the fuselage

(highly recommended as you can rotate the wings while painting).  I used PPG

Concept base coat, clear coat.  Highly recommended for the amateur painter -

like me.  I did a hard paint scheme that had a pearl yellow as the dominant

color.  The RV-10 will NOT have this color!!



It does take time.  I did one 400 grit wet sanding of the primer before top

coat.  The nice to have fiberglass touches like filling in the rib ends of

the control surfaces and wing tips are the top time killers.



Carl Froehlich

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject: Painting

Hell, I'm not even related to Tom Olsen....our last names

are even different. 



Tim Olson -- RV-10  #40170

Now FLYING!



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James Hein wrote:

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 Tom? You mean Tim has a brother?!

 *hehe*

 

 John Cram wrote:

 

> Look at Tom Olsen's

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Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: Painting

The tedious and long part doesn't bother me...it's having the right place to do it. Tim had a paint booth available, even room for a properly filtered homemade booth would be good. Make sure you use intrinsically safe electrical motors on your ventilation fans. Careful of the good ol' EPA and airport restrictions if your heading to the hangar to paint. Check with local autobody shops..they may have the facility for you to use off hours..just get the prep done at home and plan on a few good (read long) nights in the booth. It will make a difference in the quality of your final product. 



Aircraft/automotive paint can be downright lethal if the right breathing and eye protection are not used....most people forget that the eyes will absorb dangerous levels of toxins when you get  to concentration levels that are reached during spray painting. HVLP has lowered the levels in parts per million but you will still need a full face fresh air supplied respirator.



Lastly...make sure your health is good enough to sustain extended time in a respirator. The fed's require employers to have their employees tested to make sure they can function safely in the masks. Sorry for the ramble, safety engineer by profession seeping through.



Rick S.

40185

Fuselage

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zackrv8

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 133

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Painting

Brian,



  I painted my RV8 3 times.  The first 2 times with Dupont Imron and the last with PPG Concept.  I like the PPG products better.  They flow much better than Imron.  I used base coat/clear coat on all three.  Definitely the way to go for a beginner.

  

  You should paint it if you can.  It is a very messy, time consuming, and back breaking work but it is also very rewarding.  Do it if you can.



Zack

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RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:11 am Post subject: Painting

I found the PRE-painting process to be long, tedious, and miserable.

I found the painting process to be pretty interesting, and fun,

and a good learning experience.  If I could do it all over again, I'd

be happy to do it the same way I did...get someone you can pay on the

side to help do your sanding, filling, and that tough work.   You'll

pay a LOT for a paint job if you need all that stuff done by someone

else anyway.  Then when it comes time to spray, it shouldn't be too

hard to find someone who can give you a hand, and the process is pretty

quick.  I even did the colors in my 3 car pole shed garage, with no

filters, just fans in the door. (It was cold out though, so it was

NOT the buggy season.) From a dust perspective, it wasn't bad

and the results were satisfactory.



I guess it all depends. If I were going for a show plane, I'd have

pros do it, but then I'd expect to pay $10,000+.   For anything

less, you're going to pay a lot of money that you'll save if you

do it yourself.



Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10

#40170

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Brian Sponcil wrote:

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 Anyone on the list planning to paint their -10?  I'm currently debating 

 it and am wondering what others thought.  I'm not considering it as a 

 way to save money but rather as a "fun" challenge. Of course the wife 

 thinks I'm nuts and I probably am. Still, I'm wondering if there are 

 some people on our list that have painted a previous RV-<insert 3-9 

 here> project and would like to pass on their opinions.

 

 FWIW - a guy in our EAA chapter just finished his -7 which he painted 

 himself in a 4 color military scheme. He was really happy with the way 

 it turned out but said painting was a LONG and TEDIOUS process and he'd 

 probably elect to forgo it if he ever does another project.

 

 

 

 -Brian

 

 N211BD

 #40497

rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: Painting

   I am a firm believer that a good paint job is 95% preparation and 5% shooting the paint.  The big factor in an amateur having a good paint job is where they get tired of the prep work and say screw it.  You can always fix sags and runs but it's much more difficult to fix the underlying base.  For me preparation includes not only the surface but the tools and location.  If you have a poor quality gun you will have to be a much better painter to compensate.  If your space is dirty you will have much more final sanding and buffing.  If you use dirty air lines you will get fisheyes and other defects.

 

   I am dedicating an air hose to nothing but painting.  When it is not needed it will be rolled up and stored with the gun.  I am also going to use a SATAJet RP2 Gun and will have 3 stage filtering on the air line prior to that hose.  I will also be making a paint booth either from scratch or using something like the 10x20 car port that Northern Tools sells for something like $150 with sides and a zippered front.

 

   Painting your own airplane shouldn't seem like a brick barrier, after all you just built an aircraft.  Just don't expect it to take a day to do it.  Anyone can accomplish a show quality paint job it just may take more work than the guy that does it every day.  Prep is what you are really paying for in that $10k paintjob.

 

 Michael Sausen

 -10 #352 Fuselage

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