 |
Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
john(at)jallenplace.com
Guest
|
 Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
 |
|
Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating stroke last year. It is apparent that he won’t fly again. That’s a tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take over his RV-4 project.
His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage roughly equivalent to a Van’s “quickbuild”. There is an O320-E2D first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also a radio and a number of instruments.
My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to walk into an RV4 project at a “quickbuild” level without having to separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule and receive the benefits thereof.
My guess is an appropriate price would be in the $25k range for the airframe, instruments, kit, and tools. We would also be willing to entertain offers on the separate components, though we have no interest in separating the airframe kit itself.
Jack's work was quite meticulous.
Pictures of the project can be seen at http://picasaweb.google.com/jallenplace/RV4Parts
You can contact me to get additional information.:
John Allen
626.676-8987 cell
rvator(at)jallenplace.com
BTW. Jack's hangar partner, John Morgensen, is available on site and on request to show the kit to prospective buyers. John is an RV-9 builder.
Regards,
John Allen
RV-6A
[quote][b]
| | - The Matronics RV-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
khorton01(at)rogers.com
Guest
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
|
|
On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john(at)jallenplace.com wrote:
| Quote: |
Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
stroke last year. It is apparent that he wont fly again. Thats a
tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
over his RV-4 project.
His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
roughly equivalent to a Vans quickbuild. There is an O320-E2D
first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also
a radio and a number of instruments.
My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
walk into an RV4 project at a quickbuild level without having to
separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
and receive the benefits thereof.
|
It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
50%.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
| | - The Matronics RV-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
wwnewkirk(at)yahoo.com
Guest
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
|
|
BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51% himself would not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.
Bill Newkirk
Fresno, CA
---
| | - The Matronics RV-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com
Guest
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
|
|
Dont ask dont tell?
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
---
| | - The Matronics RV-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
gyoung
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 211
Location: Republic of Texas
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
|
|
Well gee, that's not true either. ONLY the Airworthiness Certification cares about the "51% rule" as Kevin noted. The Repairmans Certificate can be issued to only one builder per aircraft but doesn't require any specific level of participation. In group builds, one member of the group can get the RC. I think the FSDO has to make a judgment on whether the person is qualified for the RC, i.e. they built enough and have enough knowledge to maintain it. If they use the 51% as a limiting criteria they are making their own rules.
Regards,
Greg Young
| Quote: | From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill newkirk
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:58 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments
BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51% himself would not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.
Bill Newkirk
Fresno, CA
----- Original Message ----
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 5:05:25 AM
Subject: Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john(at)jallenplace.com wrote:
| Quote: |
Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
stroke last year. It is apparent that he won’t fly again. That’s a
tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
over his RV-4 project.
His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
roughly equivalent to a Van’s “quickbuild”. There is an O320-E2D
first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also
a radio and a number of instruments.
My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
walk into an RV4 project at a “quickbuild” level without having to
separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
and receive the benefits thereof.
|
It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
50%.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
|
4:16 PM
[quote][b]
| | - The Matronics RV-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jeffpoint
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 72
Location: MKE
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
|
|
This is not quite accurate. The 51% rule has nothing to do with the
repairman's certificate. In order to qualify for the RC, the applicant
must demonstrate to the FSDO that they are qualified to safely perform
the condition inspection. 51% of the build is not necessarily a
requirement, since as Kevin says, many projects are hand me downs.
Jeff Point
RV-6 flying
RV-8 building
Milwaukee
do not archive
bill newkirk wrote:
| Quote: | BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51%
himself would not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.
*
*
|
| | - The Matronics RV-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List |
|
_________________
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jpl(at)showpage.org
Guest
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
|
|
The regs offer two choices:
-in a partnership, only one member of the partnership may apply
-in a solo build, the the builder must have built the "majority" of the airplane
If the airplane is in a "quick build" state, the person who finishes it could say he built the majority. But if the airplane were nearly finished, you could register it (the 51% rule would apply), but you couldn't say you built the majority. I don't know if you could call it a partnership, either, if the other "partner" who did most of the work is unavailable.
-J
On Aug 6, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Greg Young wrote:
[quote]Well gee, that's not true either. ONLY the Airworthiness Certification cares about the "51% rule" as Kevin noted.The Repairmans Certificate can be issued to only one builder per aircraft but doesn't require any specific level of participation. In group builds, one memberof the group can get the RC. I think the FSDO has to make a judgment on whether the person is qualified for the RC, i.e. theybuilt enough and have enough knowledge to maintain it. If they use the 51% as a limiting criteria they are making their own rules.
Regards,Greg Young
[quote]From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of bill newkirkSent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:58 AMTo: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments
BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51% himself would not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.Bill NewkirkFresno, CA---
| | - The Matronics RV-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
acepilot(at)bloomer.net
Guest
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
|
|
BUT...I believe if the builder who registers it can't prove HE did a
majority, he will NOT be able to get the coveted repairman's
certificate...but he can get it licensed.
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Kevin Horton wrote:
| Quote: |
On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john(at)jallenplace.com wrote:
>
> Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
> stroke last year. It is apparent that he wont fly again. Thats a
> tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
> over his RV-4 project.
>
> His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
> located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
> roughly equivalent to a Vans quickbuild. There is an O320-E2D
> first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also a
> radio and a number of instruments.
>
> My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
> walk into an RV4 project at a quickbuild level without having to
> separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
> where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
> and receive the benefits thereof.
>
It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
50%.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
|
| | - The Matronics RV-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
acepilot(at)bloomer.net
Guest
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
|
|
He will most likely be asked to prove he built a majority through photo
evidence (with HIM in the photos)...and/or a builders log (in which case
he would have to have time logged and if he fudged the numbers, he could
be looking at Federal "Pound You in the A**" Prison...not a promising
outlook  do not archive
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
scott bilinski wrote:
[quote] Dont ask dont tell?
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
---
| | - The Matronics RV-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
|
Get Email Distribution Too!
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
