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alexpeterson(at)earthlink
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: Spamblocker problem - Matt please read

Listers,

 

Very recently, my earthlink spamblocker began blocking messages sent to me

from the matronics lists, but only those that I post to the lists.  Everyone

else's gets through no problem. This is the sort of system where only

messages whose domain names or email addresses are in my (earthlink) address

book get through without intervention on my part.  The domain name

(Matronics.com) is allowed, but something either changed with the internet

header of list generated messages or something at earthlink changed.  For

those familiar with earthlink, the messages go into the "suspect email"

category, not the general spam filter.

 

Is anyone else having this problem?  Any ideas Matt?

 



Alex Peterson



RV6-A N66AP 714 hours



Maple Grove, MN



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recapen(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: Spamblocker problem - Matt please read

Test to see if I have the same problem.........



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Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: Spamblocker problem - Matt please read

That is an unusual problem.  I haven't changed anything on the headers in recent history, but I did about a month and a half ago.  Still, the changes I made shouldn't have caused the selective problem you are seeing.  If you look at the headers of a message that is flagged, do you see any information regarding the Earthlink spam filter (make, model, rules that caused the blocking?)



Matt Dralle

List Admin



At 06:17 AM 2/14/2006  Tuesday, you wrote:

[quote]



Test to see if I have the same problem.........



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Matt Dralle
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rv7(at)b4.ca
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: Spamblocker problem - Matt please read

On 5:51:34 2006-02-14 "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson(at)earthlink.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Very recently, my earthlink spamblocker began blocking messages sent

 to me from the matronics lists, but only those that I post to the

 lists. Everyone else's gets through no problem.

 ...

 Is anyone else having this problem?  Any ideas Matt?


	


How about setting a rule in your email program that saves a copy into your

"RV-List" folder when you send it?  That way you get a copy stored locally,

and you can let your spam filter do whatever it wants to with the other

copy.



-Rob

ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: Spamblocker problem - Matt please read

Any chance his IP has added a rule to their spam blocker that assumes 

any email to him with his own email address as the source is assumed to 

be from a source that's using spoofed source addresses?

Matt Dralle wrote:

[quote]

That is an unusual problem.  I haven't changed anything on the headers in recent history, but I did about a month and a half ago.  Still, the changes I made shouldn't have caused the selective problem you are seeing.  If you look at the headers of a message that is flagged, do you see any information regarding the Earthlink spam filter (make, model, rules that caused the blocking?)

Matt Dralle

List Admin

At 06:17 AM 2/14/2006  Tuesday, you wrote:

>

>

>Test to see if I have the same problem.........

>

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alexpeterson(at)earthlink
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: Spamblocker problem - Matt please read

Matt, I would say that was about exactly a month and a half ago that I

started seeing the problem.  I don't think I posted anything for a while,

but I've posted several this past week and they are all flagged.  I'll send

directly to you a copy of the internet header for this message when it gets

snagged.

Alex Peterson

[quote] 

 That is an unusual problem.  I haven't changed anything on 

 the headers in recent history, but I did about a month and a 

 half ago.  Still, the changes I made shouldn't have caused 

 the selective problem you are seeing.  If you look at the 

 headers of a message that is flagged, do you see any 

 information regarding the Earthlink spam filter (make, model, 

 rules that caused the blocking?)

 Matt Dralle

 List Admin

 At 06:17 AM 2/14/2006  Tuesday, you wrote:

 >

 <recapen(at)earthlink.net>

 >

 >Test to see if I have the same problem.........

 >

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alexpeterson(at)earthlink
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject: Spamblocker problem - Matt please read

 	  Quote: 	
		   How about setting a rule in your email program that saves a 

 copy into your "RV-List" folder when you send it?  That way 

 you get a copy stored locally, and you can let your spam 

 filter do whatever it wants to with the other copy.

 

 -Rob


	


Rob, these are getting snagged at the Earthlink server, not my outlook.



Alex Peterson

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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: Spamblocker problem - Matt please read

Several weeks ago I had many of my emails blocked by my SPAM filter

when they had worked for a long time.   I had to go in and add them to my

WhiteList.



I don't have the exact date that this happened but it was in the recent

past

Ron Lee

At 08:07 PM 2/14/2006, you wrote:

[quote]



Matt, I would say that was about exactly a month and a half ago that I

started seeing the problem.  I don't think I posted anything for a while,

but I've posted several this past week and they are all flagged.  I'll send

directly to you a copy of the internet header for this message when it gets

snagged.



Alex Peterson



 > 

 >

 > That is an unusual problem.  I haven't changed anything on

 > the headers in recent history, but I did about a month and a

 > half ago.  Still, the changes I made shouldn't have caused

 > the selective problem you are seeing.  If you look at the

 > headers of a message that is flagged, do you see any

 > information regarding the Earthlink spam filter (make, model,

 > rules that caused the blocking?)

 >

 > Matt Dralle

 > List Admin

 >

 > At 06:17 AM 2/14/2006  Tuesday, you wrote:

 > >

 > <recapen(at)earthlink.net>

 > >

 > >Test to see if I have the same problem.........

 > >

 > >--

rv7(at)b4.ca
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: Spamblocker problem - Matt please read

On 19:08:54 2006-02-14 "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson(at)earthlink.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   >  How about setting a rule in your email program that saves a

 >  copy into your "RV-List" folder when you send it?  That way

 >  you get a copy stored locally, and you can let your spam

 >  filter do whatever it wants to with the other copy.

 Rob, these are getting snagged at the Earthlink server, not my

 outlook.

Yes, I know... The thought was to have Outlook just save a copy of what

you've sent to the list, *before* it leaves your computer.  We're all

getting the posts to the 'list, it's just earthlink that's being silly and

preventing them getting back to you.

My solution was to keep a copy before earthlink sees it, and then let

earthlink do whatever it wants to when it comes back from the 'list.

I know, it shouldn't have to work that way, but it might be easier than

getting Earthlink to change how they block email... 

-Rob

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:46 am Post subject: Spamblocker problem - Matt please read

What I started doing was using 'formail' to clean the headers of incoming messages, leaving only "From", "Message-Id:", "Subject:", "Date:", "To:",  "From:", "Cc:", and "Reply-To:".

Prior, I had been using a script that I wrote to clean the headers.

I believe the most significant difference, however, is the inclusion of the "Message-Id:" header.  Prior to implementing the BBS, I was stripping this header and it was regenerated each time a message was resent.  Leaving this header intact allows the BBS to properly thread topics even if the Subject lines are modified.

I'm wondering if Earthlink's spam filter is seeing the same Message-Id and assuming that someone is spoofing your original email and considers it spam...?

Matt

At 07:07 PM 2/14/2006  Tuesday, you wrote:

[quote]

Matt, I would say that was about exactly a month and a half ago that I

started seeing the problem.  I don't think I posted anything for a while,

but I've posted several this past week and they are all flagged.  I'll send

directly to you a copy of the internet header for this message when it gets

snagged.

Alex Peterson

> 

> 

> That is an unusual problem.  I haven't changed anything on 

> the headers in recent history, but I did about a month and a 

> half ago.  Still, the changes I made shouldn't have caused 

> the selective problem you are seeing.  If you look at the 

> headers of a message that is flagged, do you see any 

> information regarding the Earthlink spam filter (make, model, 

> rules that caused the blocking?)

> 

> Matt Dralle

> List Admin

> 

> At 06:17 AM 2/14/2006  Tuesday, you wrote:

> >

> <recapen(at)earthlink.net>

> >

> >Test to see if I have the same problem.........

> >

> >--

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Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator

lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:06 am Post subject: Spamblocker problem - Matt please read

FYI, I had this same problem with Time Warner (Road Runner) which here in Round Rock TX is affiliated with Earthlink. I had to open an investigation report with them and they had the problem solved in three to four days...

  Darrell

Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:

What I started doing was using 'formail' to clean the headers of incoming messages, leaving only "From", "Message-Id:", "Subject:", "Date:", "To:", "From:", "Cc:", and "Reply-To:".

Prior, I had been using a script that I wrote to clean the headers.

I believe the most significant difference, however, is the inclusion of the "Message-Id:" header. Prior to implementing the BBS, I was stripping this header and it was regenerated each time a message was resent. Leaving this header intact allows the BBS to properly thread topics even if the Subject lines are modified.

I'm wondering if Earthlink's spam filter is seeing the same Message-Id and assuming that someone is spoofing your original email and considers it spam...?

Matt

At 07:07 PM 2/14/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:

[quote]

Matt, I would say that was about exactly a month and a half ago that I

started seeing the problem. I don't think I posted anything for a while,

but I've posted several this past week and they are all flagged. I'll send

directly to you a copy of the internet header for this message when it gets

snagged.

Alex Peterson

> 

> 

> That is an unusual problem. I haven't changed anything on 

> the headers in recent history, but I did about a month and a 

> half ago. Still, the changes I made shouldn't have caused 

> the selective problem you are seeing. If you look at the 

> headers of a message that is flagged, do you see any 

> information regarding the Earthlink spam filter (make, model, 

> rules that caused the blocking?)

> 

> Matt Dralle

> List Admin

> 

> At 06:17 AM 2/14/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:

> >

> 

> >

> >Test to see if I have the same problem.........

> >

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