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 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: Mandatory Permit Directives....multitude of paperwork.....? |
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Hi! All and particularly our illustrious Safety Officer Mike Gregory.
Having now completed mods 72/73/74, not withstanding the necessity for 10 hourly inspections continuing, if those mods are signed off by the Inspector does the MPD’s still need entering and signing off in the airframe log book or can it be assumed that the mods being signed off supersedes the necessity to enter up the MPD’s? ………paper and more paper……..
Regards
Robt.C.Harrison
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: Mandatory Permit Directives....multitude of paperwork.....? |
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Hi Bob,
Our illustrious Safety Officer has requested that I, as Club PFA Inspector, reply to your posting.
As I interpret the requirements, MPD 2007-006 (integrity of wing attachments, CLASSICS only) is a one off inspection, which if the a/c passes, may be signed off once and for ever. If the a/c does not pass this inspection then it must be grounded forthwith and reference must be made to Europa 2004 for guidance of how to fix the problem. In this instance MPD 2007-006 may not be signed off until such appropriate rectification is carried out.
MOD 74 has to be incorporated within 10 hrs from 1st Aug, but in itself does not provide rectification for any fault shown up in the 006 directive.
MPD 2007- 005, which refers to tail plane attachment, has to be repeated once every 10 flight hours after the initial successful inspection. There is no relief from this requirement at present. If the a/c failed the initial MPD 2007-005 inspection then it has to be grounded until such time as suitable rectification work has been approved by Europa 2004/PFA, carried out and signed off by a PFA inspector.
If the initial failure notice was due only to non compliant pip pin holes then Mod 73 allowed the a/c to fly once more but still requires 10 hr repetitive checking of the other items covered by the directive.
If failure was due to any of the other items mentioned, eg movement of TP9 on the torque shaft or excessive movement of the TP12’s then once more the a/c has to be grounded until such time as this fault can be rectified. Even then it is still subject to repetitive 10 checks as per MPD 2007-005.
We all hope that a route forward will soon be forthcoming from PFA/Europa 2004 which will increase the period or remove the requirement all together.
So in short, carrying out the Mods73 & 74 does not eliminate the requirement for 10hr tailplane attachment checks.
I know it is not the answer you wanted but I hope it helps.
Pete Jeffers PFA Insp.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Sent: 18 August 2007 10:57
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Subject: Mandatory Permit Directives....multitude of paperwork.....?
Hi! All and particularly our illustrious Safety Officer Mike Gregory.
Having now completed mods 72/73/74, not withstanding the necessity for 10 hourly inspections continuing, if those mods are signed off by the Inspector does the MPD’s still need entering and signing off in the airframe log book or can it be assumed that the mods being signed off superedes the necessity to enter up the MPD’s? ………paper and more paper……..
Regards
Robt.C.Harrison
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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: Mandatory Permit Directives....multitude of paperwork.....? |
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Hi! Peter,
Thanks for the reply to my question.
Basically you have related the situation I had understood but unwittingly skirted my real concern.
Let me put it another way:-
My question concerns the matter of recording in the airframe book , Since my aircraft has been grounded since May 28th 2006 due to the nose wheel departure accident (which incidentally I have seen no recommendation concerning the friction shimmy adjustment /checks since?)
it has now been re-engined and fitted with a new prop. all of which has effectively actioned all the accident repairs that were necessary.
At the end of this re-build process all three mods …72,73, 74 have been signed off as satisfactorily completed ….to the question….is it necessary to write up details of the MPD’s since the aforementioned mod approvals would therefore be in the vexed book IN FRONT OF THE MPD’s ?
I understand the 10 hour inspection requirements but it seems somewhat “cart and horse” to now write up the MPD’s ?
Further :-
Obviously it seems to me somewhat wasteful of PFA inspectors time and our expense to continue with the 10hour inspections especially with my torque tube clamp mod having been fitted too?
I respect that the purpose of the inspections was in the interests of our safety but surely there now comes circumstance and time to waive the necessity for continuance albeit with some specific requirements of P1 pre-flight inspections/walk round.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jeffers
Sent: 19 August 2007 15:39
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory Permit Directives....multitude of paperwork.....?
Hi Bob,
Our illustrious Safety Officer has requested that I, as Club PFA Inspector, reply to your posting.
As I interpret the requirements, MPD 2007-006 (integrity of wing attachments, CLASSICS only) is a one off inspection, which if the a/c passes, may be signed off once and for ever. If the a/c does not pass this inspection then it must be grounded forthwith and reference must be made to Europa 2004 for guidance of how to fix the problem. In this instance MPD 2007-006 may not be signed off until such appropriate rectification is carried out.
MOD 74 has to be incorporated within 10 hrs from 1st Aug, but in itself does not provide rectification for any fault shown up in the 006 directive.
MPD 2007- 005, which refers to tail plane attachment, has to be repeated once every 10 flight hours after the initial successful inspection. There is no relief from this requirement at present. If the a/c failed the initial MPD 2007-005 inspection then it has to be grounded until such time as suitable rectification work has been approved by Europa 2004/PFA, carried out and signed off by a PFA inspector.
If the initial failure notice was due only to non compliant pip pin holes then Mod 73 allowed the a/c to fly once more but still requires 10 hr repetitive checking of the other items covered by the directive.
If failure was due to any of the other items mentioned, eg movement of TP9 on the torque shaft or excessive movement of the TP12’s then once more the a/c has to be grounded until such time as this fault can be rectified. Even then it is still subject to repetitive 10 checks as per MPD 2007-005.
We all hope that a route forward will soon be forthcoming from PFA/Europa 2004 which will increase the period or remove the requirement all together.
So in short, carrying out the Mods73 & 74 does not eliminate the requirement for 10hr tailplane attachment checks.
I know it is not the answer you wanted but I hope it helps.
Pete Jeffers PFA Insp.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Sent: 18 August 2007 10:57
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Mandatory Permit Directives....multitude of paperwork.....?
Hi! All and particularly our illustrious Safety Officer Mike Gregory.
Having now completed mods 72/73/74, not withstanding the necessity for 10 hourly inspections continuing, if those mods are signed off by the Inspector does the MPD’s still need entering and signing off in the airframe log book or can it be assumed that the mods being signed off superedes the necessity to enter up the MPD’s? ………paper and more paper……..
Regards
Robt.C.Harrison
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: Mandatory Permit Directives....multitude of paperwork.....? |
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Hi Bob,
Sorry if I missed your point. I may now do the same again, so apologies in advance.
Firstly I am only an inspector so cannot directly influence the PFA/CAA as to their requirements. All I can do is try to interpret what they say they want!
Now as an inspector all I can do is say what I would want entered in the log book re the recent MPD’s is as follows:-
<![if !supportLists]>1. <![endif]>In the main body of the book one entry to say that MPD ….005 and MPD…006 (including very brief description like ‘tailplane attachment’ or ‘integrity of wing attachment’) have been complied with together with an approved signature.
<![if !supportLists]>2. <![endif]>In the pink pages at the back, one entry each for …005 & .006. …005 annotated recurring (at) 10 hr intervals and ….006, one time.
The two above items are completely separate and independent of Mods 72, 73 & 74. It does not matter which items are entered first provided they are correctly dated.
I am not aware of any change in the requirements concerning inspection or maintenance of the nose wheel. Suffice it to say that amongst many other things this area requires close inspection at DI, annual, or following any incident.
Re the cart & horse bit, I think we will always find situations where this becomes a requirement to ‘cover a...e’! Hopefully this 10 hr thing will moderate to a more lenient period before too long, leaving the pilot to check for him/herself on a day to day basis.
Pete
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Sent: 19 August 2007 18:50
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory Permit Directives....multitude of paperwork.....?
Hi! Peter,
Thanks for the reply to my question.
Basically you have related the situation I had understood but unwittingly skirted my real concern.
Let me put it another way:-
My question concerns the matter of recording in the airframe book , Since my aircraft has been grounded since May 28th 2006 due to the nose wheel departure accident (which incidentally I have seen no recommendation concerning the friction shimmy adjustment /checks since?)
it has now been re-engined and fitted with a new prop. all of which has effectively actioned all the accident repairs that were necessary.
At the end of this re-build process all three mods …72,73, 74 have been signed off as satisfactorily completed ….to the question….is it necessary to write up details of the MPD’s since the aforementioned mod approvals would therefore be in the vexed book IN FRONT OF THE MPD’s ?
I understand the 10 hour inspection requirements but it seems somewhat “cart and horse” to now write up the MPD’s ?
Further :-
Obviously it seems to me somewhat wasteful of PFA inspectors time and our expense to continue with the 10hour inspections especially with my torque tube clamp mod having been fitted too?
I respect that the purpose of the inspections was in the interests of our safety but surely there now comes circumstance and time to waive the necessity for continuance albeit with some specific requirements of P1 pre-flight inspections/walk round.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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