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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Just placed an order to Spruce...to keep building....I guess that's the reason, at least for me.



Rick S.

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Many people have noticed and commented about the decrease in traffic on 

this list. I suppose some of it's due to folks squeezing in the last bit 

of summer vacation, but with over 750 RV-10 builder/fliers the amount of 

traffic has decreased inversely proportional to the increase in builder 

numbers ?????? Whats up with that? I'd be interested in understanding 

what's behind the decrease.

Matt are the number of subscribers decreasing or has the bulk of the 

population moved to the lurker category?

I know that when I began my build I was a bit intimidated by those 

'experts' that were much further along than I (and therefore 'experts') 

and was a little reluctant to post at 1st. I believe that this list and 

the knowledge and expertise of the individuals that are subscribed are 

the single biggest Boone to my building experience. I'd hate to see it 

wither up and die.

Perhaps there are some that get offended by some of the stronger 

personalities, I hope not, I figure if I can withstand Rick Sked poking 

fun at my spelling, that anyone can survive on the list. 

I get some inquiries from people 'off-list' which I'm happy to reply to, 

but I learn as much from others exchanges as from my own inquiries, I'd 

encourage folks to use the list and the experience for the widest 

benefit (Let's burn some of Matt's bandwidth!)



Now if I can just get the maze of wire behind my panel 

untangled.......should have used Stein!



Deems Davis # 406

'Its all done....Its just not put together'

http://deemsrv10.com/

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Lloyd tell us more about your CF cowl!?!?!



Inquiring minds want to know!



(maybe I'll be tempted by yet another time exhausting mod!)



Deems Davis # 406

'Its all done....Its just not put together'

http://deemsrv10.com/



Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:

[quote] 



 Maybe we should talk about alternative engines? GRIN. Going down to

 Florida tomorrow to mount my new carbon fiber cowl. Should loose a

 couple more pounds, just where I don't need to!

 Dan

 N289DT RV10E



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ncol(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Busy busy busy finishing off as well. All painted at last.



BUT



DEFINITELY should have got Stein to do the panel - never again! I'm 

sure I got ET on the RT, and the BBC on my EFIS.



DAR next Tuesday! Then we'll know how much we've got to redo like a 

dodo.



Neil



ZK - RVT

On 23 Aug 2007, at 14:19, Deems Davis wrote:



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 Many people have noticed and commented about the decrease in traffic 

 on this list. I suppose some of it's due to folks squeezing in the 

 last bit of summer vacation, but with over 750 RV-10 builder/fliers 

 the amount of traffic has decreased inversely proportional to the 

 increase in builder numbers ?????? Whats up with that? I'd be 

 interested in understanding what's behind the decrease.

 Matt are the number of subscribers decreasing or has the bulk of the 

 population moved to the lurker category?

 I know that when I began my build I was a bit intimidated by those 

 'experts' that were much further along than I (and therefore 

 'experts') and was a little reluctant to post at 1st. I believe that 

 this list and the knowledge and expertise of the individuals that are 

 subscribed are the single biggest Boone to my building experience. I'd 

 hate to see it wither up and die.

 Perhaps there are some that get offended by some of the stronger 

 personalities, I hope not, I figure if I can withstand Rick Sked 

 poking fun at my spelling, that anyone can survive on the list. 

 I get some inquiries from people 'off-list' which I'm happy to reply 

 to, but I learn as much from others exchanges as from my own 

 inquiries, I'd encourage folks to use the list and the experience for 

 the widest benefit (Let's burn some of Matt's bandwidth!)



 Now if I can just get the maze of wire behind my panel 

 untangled.......should have used Stein!



 Deems Davis # 406

 'Its all done....Its just not put together'

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n212pj(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Deems, et. al.  



I've stopped building for awhile, so I, for one, have not much to say that I

feel can contribute.  



Plus, what there is about which I can confidently express an opinion is

rather small, since I've not gotten past chapter 12.  I became very aware of

opinions on this list that were being put out there with authority and

knowledge that just had to make you wonder, and it made me stop and think if

I truly had the requisite knowledge to make "helpful" suggestions from a

wealth of past experience and training.  That's a cop-out to some extent, of

course.  We're all learning together.  But for me, to make a pronouncement,

I need to ensure that I am well researched enough and thoughtful in the

reply that those reading it who have even less knowledge are not led astray.

That means taking the time to research the topic (the EFIS posts are one

example of a very complex discussion), careful in how one writes about it,

and who's got that degree of time, all the time?  Sometimes you just have to

go for a hike and get out of the shop.  



Another reason, I think, is that the number of excellent websites is to such

a point that most of the questions and answers can be found in them, and

then their's Tim's compendium.  Web sites are also an interesting

phenomenon.  There were a couple times when people actually cited what I

did, described and pictured on my web site as the way to do x, y or z.  It

was complimentary that anyone was even logging on, but it sure made me think

about the responsibility people have who are taking the time to document and

publish their progress.  



All of this takes time, this conversation stuff on the web, and life's just

too busy and precious for some.  Why not read the manual, look at the web

sites you think are informative, build the thing, have Stein or others do

your panel for you, have Marty do the engine, get your EAA chapter fellows

who've been there before to help you install it...in short, get it flying

and then one day, viola, you announce on the site that you're done, and no

one has ever heard of you before.  I personally think that's sad.  But, I'm

in it for the "education" and camaraderie, so I continue to read the emails

religiously, just haven't much to say.  



John Jessen

  328



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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

I will be taking all kinds of pictures tomorrow, once we get it fitted

up, and I finally get to install my $500 worth of Mil-Spec fasteners,

they have been sitting on the bench just begging to be put in. 

Oh and I get to fly two additional RV10 Subaru builders, you guys better

watch out because we are multiplying!

Dan

N289DT RV10E Flying

"Counting the days to my "free" Ice Cream Sundae in Arizona!" 



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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Great post Wayne and some good insight on what kind of things to expect 

during Phase 1.



Thanks .



Can't wait to see painted pics!



Deems Davis # 406

'Its all done....Its just not put together'

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Wayne Edgerton wrote:

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		   Hell I thought everyone made there 10's a trail dragger not just me :>}

  

 I'll add a little bit to the mix to help fill up Matt's band width. 

 I'm now official, I have flown off my 40 hours. I thought once you got 

 into the cockpit that you were done but boy you find, or at least I 

 have, a whole lot of other issues have to be dealt with. Maybe others 

 didn't run into some of the things I did, but I'll list a few of them.

  

 I purchased my engine from Aero in Canada. They are really great 

 people to work with and after talking to quite a few builders I find 

 out they have a much better warranty policy than some. As an example, 

 Mattituck engines warranty starts I believe when you receive the 

 engine. I know of two RV builders who aren't finished yet and there 

 warranty has or is about to expire because of time. On my Aero engine 

 the warranty didn't start until my first flight. Also I bought a new 

 engine from them, one that they built up from certified parts, and I 

 have 3 years warranty. The warranty when you buy a new Lycoming 

 certified engine, per what I've been told, is only 2 years.

  

 Anyway to my point on debugging problems. On my first flight my left 

 magneto decided to go to magneto heaven. So I was down for awhile 

 awaiting a new mag from Aero. They shipped it right out but I had to 

 get it installed and timed. I forgot to say that I have Lasar 

 electronic ignition. We timed up the system, actually I use we loosely 

 since I'm not very experienced with this type of thing and had to 

 recruit help. Ron Grover and Danny King helped me. Anyway I've been 

 chasing now a 200 mag drop on run-up and trying to figure out what the 

 problem is. It's a uniform mag drop between the mags. If I lean out 

 the mixture on run-up the mag drop goes to the normal tolerance.

  

 First someone suggested leaning out the idle mixture, which really has 

 no effect on the mixture at 1700 rpm. No cigar. Then someone said I 

 should switch to fine wire plugs and that would solve the problem but 

 after nearly $800 still no cigar. The thought then was that the fuel 

 servo was not calibrated correctly so Aero sent me a new one, which I 

 then installed. No cigar again. I tested in the air while running at 

 23 sq turning just to one magneto and then the other magneto.  I had 

 little or no mag drop. Anyway after all of that I'm still chasing this 

 issue. I keep coming back to when we timed it, but we did it twice, 

 per their instructions. So that's one of my issues.

  

 Not to bore you too much but I'll give you another just to help Matt 

 out :>} I have dual Chelton's installed with the Free Flight 1201 

 certified WAAS GPS receiver to drive them. From the beginning I wasn't 

 able to get into what Chelton calls Ground Maintenance Mode (GMM). You 

 have to insert a Smart Card and then power up the unit and it boots up 

 in a mode that allows you to go in and configure the units to match 

 your configurations and parameters, i.e. equipment, speeds etc. We 

 chased that for quite awhile thinking somehow I had bad Smartcards or 

 I was a dummy putting them in wrong, that maybe was a good guess :>} 

 but anyway it was concluded that somehow the database for the units 

 was corrupted and wouldn't allow me to go into GMM. I worked with a 

 couple fellows at Chelton, Mike and Robert, on this, they are really a 

 couple of good guys and very patient and knowledgeable, and they 

 e-mailed me a new set of software and by using DOS commands with a 

 keyboard attached to the Chelton, we were able to load this software 

 into the units and the units would now come up in GMM. OK so far but 

 new problem, now I had no GPS into the units from the Free Flight GPS.

  

 I flew my next four flights using a sectional and following VOR 

 radials, I have some steam gauges also. I guess I needed the practice 

 anyway. Well it was finally determined, after I talked to Stein on a 

 Sunday morning, that they have two version of their software a regular 

 version -2 and one for people who have a Free Flight GPS, like me -8. 

 You guessed it, they had mistakenly sent me the wrong one. I loaded 

 that version and am now back in the GPS business. I now have to 

 upgrade to the latest version, which is 6.0A16-8 where the 8 means for 

 the Free Flight.

  

 Anyway you get the point that you are, or at least I have 

 been, presented with a whole new set of issues you have to deal with, 

 however I have to say that being flying they aren't quite as 

 frustrating as when I was in total build mode wanting to be flying.

  

 I'm in TX and I have a hangar on an airpark just north of Fort Worth, 

 Propwash Airpark. If any of you other 10 builders are coming to the 

 area and would like to have a ride let me know. I'm going into paint 

 on Sept 6th so I'm probably out of business for Sept.

  

 OK Matt is that enough now :>}

  

  

 Wayne Edgerton #40336

 N602WT flying

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