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Matt Dralle
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Um, what kind of primer should I use?



Why doesn't the RV-10 come in a tailwheel model so the real men would be able to fly them? 









That should get some discussions going again!



Matt



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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

I was wondering too what had happened.  Where is everyone, building?



Gary

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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Maybe we should talk about alternative engines? GRIN. Going down to

Florida tomorrow to mount my new carbon fiber cowl. Should loose a

couple more pounds, just where I don't need to!

Dan

N289DT RV10E



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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Were all hanging our subie engines!



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AV8ORJWC

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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Matt, thanks for providing such a great collaborative website for the

world's greatest group of kit builders.



Primer is a VERY personal thing and opinions can run rabid with little

provocation. Several of the products about to be espoused are excellent.

Primer is a "primary" step in the long-term application of permanent

topcoat.  As such, the correct primer should be used by following a

correct technique after you select the topcoat of your own choice.

Primer is absorbent and as such can increase the likelihood of

hydrocarbon, dirt, moisture and other organic compound buildups.

Undesired corrosion can be the result.  Primer-Filler is a whole nother

beast.



Study the products and their applications before taking the plunge. 



Poly-urethane topcoats which are highly resistant to fuel and

hydrocarbon byproducts require a specialized primer for correct bonding.

At work, the topcoat instruction is the proper preparation and

application of fresh primer within two hours of topcoat.  And yes, the

primer too, is a 2 part epoxy.  Proper cleaning, proper prep, then

correct product, properly applied leads to years of discussion on the

subject.



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Good luck teasing Ken Krueger to advise in writing on why there is no

conventional third wheel.  I believe a strong basis was the strength and

weight necessary to support the IO-540 (up front) and the more docile

handling and insurance liability cost reduction by keeping the aircraft

out of the hands of "Real Men".



Know the mission, know the pilot capability, design for widespread

acceptance.  So - 90 flying in three years and 800 kits would support

they (the VAN RV-10 team) steered clear of the ground loop insurance

costs. 



John C - KUAO

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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

I'm not priming anything.  Hah!



Dave Leikam

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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

I'm still in buildus interruptus.  Should close on the house on Friday or early next week, just in time to go to Iraq for some flying,then come home in three months, take a few weeks to set up shop in the new hangar, then start building again by about December! :[ 

  

I'd like to start up some more conversation on the newest things since OSH about the simple EFISs, like when is Tru-Trak shipping, the AFS units - are they being installed? The website hasn't updated any installations for about a year now.  Any other units out there that provide simple EFIS capability without Dynon's heavy reliance on pitot-static for AHRS-type info?  Oh yeah, don't forget to keep the price down on your recommendations, either, because I have to build the rest of the panel around it - GPS/COM/NAV, AP head, Comm 2, etc. 

  

Rob 

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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Hell I thought everyone made there 10's a trail  dragger not just me :>}

  

 I'll add a little bit to the mix to help fill up  Matt's band width. I'm now official, I have flown off my 40 hours. I thought  once you got into the cockpit that you were done but boy you find, or at least I  have, a whole lot of other issues have to be dealt with. Maybe others didn't run  into some of the things I did, but I'll list a few of them.

  

 I purchased my engine from Aero in Canada. They are  really great people to work with and after talking to quite a few builders  I find out they have a much better warranty policy than some. As an  example, Mattituck engines warranty starts I believe when you receive the  engine. I know of two RV builders who aren't finished yet and there warranty has  or is about to expire because of time. On my Aero engine the warranty didn't  start until my first flight. Also I bought a new engine from them, one that they  built up from certified parts, and I have 3 years warranty. The warranty when  you buy a new Lycoming certified engine, per what I've been told, is only 2  years.

  

 Anyway to my point on debugging problems. On my  first flight my left magneto decided to go to magneto heaven. So I was down for  awhile awaiting a new mag from Aero. They shipped it right out but I had to get  it installed and timed. I forgot to say that I have Lasar electronic ignition.  We timed up the system, actually I use we loosely since I'm not very experienced  with this type of thing and had to recruit help. Ron Grover and Danny  King helped me. Anyway I've been chasing now a 200 mag drop on run-up and  trying to figure out what the problem is. It's a uniform mag drop between the  mags. If I lean out the mixture on run-up the mag drop goes to the normal  tolerance.

  

 First someone suggested leaning out the idle  mixture, which really has no effect on the mixture at 1700 rpm. No cigar. Then  someone said I should switch to fine wire plugs and that would solve the problem  but after nearly $800 still no cigar. The thought then was that the fuel servo  was not calibrated correctly so Aero sent me a new one, which I then installed.  No cigar again. I tested in the air while running at 23 sq turning just to one  magneto and then the other magneto.  I had little or no mag drop. Anyway  after all of that I'm still chasing this issue. I keep coming back to when we  timed it, but we did it twice, per their instructions. So that's one of my  issues.

  

 Not to bore you too much but I'll give you another  just to help Matt out :>} I have dual Chelton's installed with the Free  Flight 1201 certified WAAS GPS receiver to drive them. From the  beginning I wasn't able to get into what Chelton calls Ground Maintenance Mode  (GMM). You have to insert a Smart Card and then power up the unit and it boots  up in a mode that allows you to go in and configure the units to match your  configurations and parameters, i.e. equipment, speeds etc. We chased that for  quite awhile thinking somehow I had bad Smartcards or I was a dummy putting them  in wrong, that maybe was a good guess :>} but anyway it was concluded that  somehow the database for the units was corrupted and wouldn't allow me to go  into GMM. I worked with a couple fellows at Chelton, Mike and Robert, on  this, they are really a couple of good guys and very patient and knowledgeable,  and they e-mailed me a new set of software and by using DOS commands with a  keyboard attached to the Chelton, we were able to load this software into the  units and the units would now come up in GMM. OK so far but new problem, now I  had no GPS into the units from the Free Flight GPS. 

  

 I flew my next four flights using a sectional and  following VOR radials, I have some steam gauges also. I guess I needed the  practice anyway. Well it was finally determined, after I talked to Stein on  a Sunday morning, that they have two version of their software a regular  version -2 and one for people who have a Free Flight GPS, like me -8. You  guessed it, they had mistakenly sent me the wrong one. I loaded that version and  am now back in the GPS business. I now have to upgrade to the latest version,  which is 6.0A16-8 where the 8 means for the Free Flight.

  

 Anyway you get the point that you are, or at least  I have been, presented with a whole new set of issues you have to deal  with, however I have to say that being flying they aren't quite as frustrating  as when I was in total build mode wanting to be flying.

  

 I'm in TX and I have a hangar on an airpark just  north of Fort Worth, Propwash Airpark. If any of you other 10 builders are  coming to the area and would like to have a ride let me know. I'm going into  paint on Sept 6th so I'm probably out of business for Sept.

  

  OK Matt is that enough now  :>}



  

  

 Wayne Edgerton #40336

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KiloPapa

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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?

Thanks for the write up.



Kevin

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Where'd Everyone Go?

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:35:14 -0500



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just me :>}


	


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