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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:15 am Post subject: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

correct from their site http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/OrderFormPriceList.pdf

 Servo- $2350 (RV-10AP includes mounting brackets,  torque enhancer, wiring harness, and associated AN hardware)

  

Digiflight IIVSGV $2975 -  

total $5225 

  

This brings up another question. I recall looking  through the archives that someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if  your getting the aileron trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when  ordering, or does it even matter with the servo which wing it goes  on? 

Thanks! 

Pascal

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orchidman

Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 277
Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

 	  rv10builder(at)verizon.ne wrote: 	
		  

This brings up another question. I recall looking  through the archives that someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if  your getting the aileron trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when  ordering, or does it even matter with the servo which wing it goes  on? 

Thanks! 

Pascal

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Yes it does matter.  The bracket is different based on which wing the wing servo goes into.  Normal is in the right wing.

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RV10 - # 40674
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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

Before you buy....make note.  You'll get a much better price

buying from a dealer. (yeah, I'm partial to SteinAir.  )

I made the mistake of buying some parts direct, and later

found out I paid more than I needed to.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

pascal wrote:

[quote] correct from their site 

 http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/OrderFormPriceList.pdf

 Servo- $2350 (RV-10AP includes mounting brackets, torque enhancer, 

 wiring harness, and associated AN hardware)

 

 Digiflight IIVSGV $2975 -

 

 total $5225

 

  

 

 This brings up another question. I recall looking through the archives 

 that someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if your getting 

 the aileron trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when 

 ordering, or does it even matter with the servo which wing it goes on?

 

 Thanks!

 

 Pascal

 

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millstees(at)ameritech.ne
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

Also check Stark Avionics.  I bought my TT autopilot there, and got what I

felt was the best price, and excellent service.



Steve Mills N750SM (reserved)

RV-10 40486 Slow-build  Eggenfellner E-6T

Naperville, Illinois 

Finishing kit

Do Not Archive

 



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bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 580

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

Pascal,  

   

Normally TT will send the kit for the right wing, but if you want it for the left wing it’s a different bracket.  It will coexist with Van’s aileron trim fine.  The servo install bracket actually replaces one of the stock aileron bellcrank brackets (W-823-PP).  The aileron trim from Van’s installs on the inboard inspection plate and connects via a couple of springs to the torque tube that runs along the spar.  

   

Advice given so far has been dead on - it’s not whether you can install the servo with the wing skins on (you can but it’s a little more difficult), but whether you want to do it while laying on your back under the wing while it’s mounted on the plane.  The pitch servo is easily accessible since it’s just aft of the battery.  

   

Whatever you do, at least install the wiring to the servo locations ahead of time since it’s a large bundle (and relatively inexpensive).  I’d recommend getting the multicolor bundled stuff from SteinAir – makes things REALLY easy later.  

   

Finally, the servos for MOST of the TT autopilots will be the same.  The low cost autopilots (DigiTrak, Altrak and Pictorial Pilot) use a different type.  The Digiflight II series and up (including the Sorceror) use the same servos.  TruTrak will also let you trade up from one model to another for the price difference.  

   

Bob #40105  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal

 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:11 PM

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correct from their site http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/OrderFormPriceList.pdf  

    

Servo- $2350 (RV-10AP includes mounting brackets, torque enhancer, wiring harness, and associated AN hardware)  

    

Digiflight IIVSGV $2975 -   

total $5225  

   

This brings up another question. I recall looking through the archives that someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if your getting the aileron trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when ordering, or does it even matter with the servo which wing it goes on?  

Thanks!  

Pascal  

    

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mritter509(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

You might also want to check with Alex DeDominicis.  I purchased my Sorcerer 

from Alex and service was great.



Mark

RV-10/N410MR





[quote]From: <millstees(at)ameritech.net>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:06:13 -0500






Also check Stark Avionics.  I bought my TT autopilot there, and got what I

felt was the best price, and excellent service.



Steve Mills N750SM (reserved)

RV-10 40486 Slow-build  Eggenfellner E-6T

Naperville, Illinois

Finishing kit

Do Not Archive

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rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

I know that Rich at Aircraft Extras (sales(at)aircraftextras.com ) has pretty good pricing on TruTrak as well.

[quote] 

 From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

 Date: 2007/08/30 Thu PM 01:55:13 EST

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

 

 

 

 Before you buy....make note.  You'll get a much better price

 buying from a dealer. (yeah, I'm partial to SteinAir.  )

 I made the mistake of buying some parts direct, and later

 found out I paid more than I needed to.

 

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 do not archive

 

 

 pascal wrote:

 > correct from their site 

 > http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/OrderFormPriceList.pdf

 > Servo- $2350 (RV-10AP includes mounting brackets, torque enhancer, 

 > wiring harness, and associated AN hardware)

 > 

 > Digiflight IIVSGV $2975 -

 > 

 > total $5225

 > 

 >  

 > 

 > This brings up another question. I recall looking through the archives 

 > that someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if your getting 

 > the aileron trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when 

 > ordering, or does it even matter with the servo which wing it goes on?

 > 

 > Thanks!

 > 

 > Pascal

 > 

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pcasson(at)sasktel.net
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

I've got a two axis TruTrak installed in my 10 one thing that really bugs me is how much friction is

added to the control system when the AP is not in use.  RV's normally have such nice smooth and

balanced controls especially if I compare it to my Glastar where the ailerons are very stiff and not

coordinated to the pitch force.  Adding the TT servos added a lot of friction to the -10 control

system. My other plane has a single axis an old Navaid AP but it's servo had a clutch that

disconnected the motor from the control system when it was not in use so if the AP was off there is

no added friction from spinning a powered down motor like the TT servo.  I would think the -46789

guys would find this an even bigger deal.  There is no way I would mess up a -4's lovely control

feel by hanging a pair of TT servos on them if they all work like mine.  



Am I the only one who has this complaint?  Are my servos bad or did I wire them wrong?   



Assuming my TT stuff is operating as it's designed I'd say there is some room for improvement in the

TT product before I'd give it an unqualified recommendation.  

Perry Casson

C-FMHP - Regina, Sk.

Waiting on paperwork...

http://casson.2y.net/rv-10

ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

Although I haven't flown yet, the drag you mention is not as noticable when everything is connected and you use the stick to move the controls. The aileron trim springs add more to the mix as well but I don't find any of this added tension very noticable ie like hard to move the stick. But this ain't no RV-4 either.



Rick S.

40185

Wiring & panel almost done

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

This one to me seems to come from far left field.  After flying for

so many hours, it just seems like you need to get it in the air

to feel it.  My sticks flop about easily when on the ground.  In the

air the control feel is super light.  Actually, the pitch forces

are a bit low at times.  In roll, I'm very happy that the ailerons

get some stiffness to them.  It's still a plenty light plane that

flies with fingertips only, but if the roll forces were any less,

I'd be more worried about how the plane would be to fly IFR.  Even

with the airplane off though, the controls are so easy to manipulate

that any friction from the servos is barely noticeable.  I think

you'll have to get it flying and spend some time with it, because

you'll have a lot less to complain about once you feel it in the

air.  It isn't a 4,6,7,8 but even if I was wanting to do aerobatics

all I'd want out of the plane was maybe a bit lighter aileron,

and that would be more a factor of aileron size than any minor

amount of servo friction.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

Perry Casson-home wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

  

 I've got a two axis TruTrak installed in my 10 one thing that really bugs me is how much friction is

 added to the control system when the AP is not in use.  RV's normally have such nice smooth and

 balanced controls especially if I compare it to my Glastar where the ailerons are very stiff and not

 coordinated to the pitch force.  Adding the TT servos added a lot of friction to the -10 control

 system. My other plane has a single axis an old Navaid AP but it's servo had a clutch that

 disconnected the motor from the control system when it was not in use so if the AP was off there is

 no added friction from spinning a powered down motor like the TT servo.  I would think the -46789

 guys would find this an even bigger deal.  There is no way I would mess up a -4's lovely control

 feel by hanging a pair of TT servos on them if they all work like mine.  

 

 Am I the only one who has this complaint?  Are my servos bad or did I wire them wrong?   

 

 Assuming my TT stuff is operating as it's designed I'd say there is some room for improvement in the

 TT product before I'd give it an unqualified recommendation.  

 

 

 Perry Casson

 C-FMHP - Regina, Sk.

 Waiting on paperwork...

 http://casson.2y.net/rv-10

acs(at)acspropeller.com.a
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

Tim, I'd have to say my experience with the pitch servo (I'm not flying yet) 

is the stick stays whever I put it. In other words, it definetly doesn't 

flop around like it did before the servo was connected. Maybe not left 

field?

I'll post the model of the servo later when I can view it.

John 40315.(endless finishing)

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coop85(at)cableone.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side?

Perry,

    It sounds like my experience is similar to the other responses.  I can't

even tell it's there when I don't have the autopilot engaged and I have time

in a lot of high performance machines as well as the RV-6.  I'm not sure if

that's what you wanted to hear.



Marcus

40286



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