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 Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: Jim Pellien lost/ plus 2 others |
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David X,
Congratulations on your cross country flight. By the tone of your emails it sounds like you have an axe to grind.------ I was not speculating about anything concerning Jim's accident or the other couple's accident.-------- parts of both reports are below.
Jim-- didn't get killed because he ran out of fuel !! nor did the design of his fuel system have anything to do with it. Jim got killed because of what happened AFTER he ran out of fuel ( no, we don't know why this happened). The NTSB report says : "It was next observed "very low" over the trees, turning southward. It then turned towards the east, and the engine "surged," then became silent. Moments later, the airplane banked 90 degrees to the left and witnesses heard the sound of impact".
Like I said, this is an emotional topic (your comments reflect that) and hopefully something can be learned from it (not from speculating). I wasn't there, and neither were you.
The point I am trying to bring out is that in the flying business, "altitude is insurance".
1) On November 11, 2006, at 1630 eastern standard time, a Czech Aircraft Works CH 601 XL RTF, N601VA, was substantially damaged when it impacted trees following a loss of engine power while maneuvering near Sky Bryce Airport (VG18), Basye, Virginia. The certificated private pilot was fatally injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and no flight plan was filed for the local personal flight conducted under 14 CFR Part 91.
1) According to witness statements, the pilot stated that he was going to fly for "about an hour." The airplane was seen "circling" north of the airport, and then to descend. It was next observed "very low" over the trees, turning southward. It then turned towards the east, and the engine "surged," then became silent. Moments later, the airplane banked 90 degrees to the left and witnesses heard the sound of impact
The airplane which had an explosion in flight is referenced below in another NTSB report. There was nothing in my original post that I was speculating on, as a matter of fact I mentioned we should not be doing that (speculating). I do take offence to the tone of your letter, but will consider the source.-------- I did think that maybe one of the reasons for this site is to make flying and building safer.
2)On November 4, 2006, about 1139 Pacific standard time, an Aircraft Manufacturing & Development Co., CH601XL SLSA, N158MD, experienced an in-flight breakup while cruising approximately 8 nautical miles south of Yuba City, California. The airplane was destroyed. The private pilot, who was a co-owner of the airplane, and a passenger were fatally injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and no flight plan had been filed. The flight was performed under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91, and it originated from Lincoln, California, about 1129.
A ground-based witness reported hearing the airplane as it approached his location. The witness stated that the airplane's engine was "missing" and its power was "on and off." Seconds later the witness heard the sound of an explosion and observed the center section of the airplane falling straight down. All of the airplane's structural components were located in adjacent open fields during the National Transportation Safety Board's on-scene investigation. The wreckage consisted of the following components, which were separated from each other: left wing (without aileron); right wing (with aileron); main landing gear assembly; cockpit, engine with attached propeller blades; aileron (left wing); and empennage. There was no evidence of oil spray on any of the components, and there was no evidence of fire.
The wreckage has been recovered and detailed airframe and engine examinations are ongoing.
I think it is a shame that when we go to the NTSB accident page, type in "601" it shows, the latest two accidents resulted in three "fatals". If nothing is learned from this, the list will only get longer.
NOT SPECULATING--- Fritz
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David X
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Jim Pellien lost/ plus 2 others |
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Most of us on this forum can read and know how to browse the NTSB site, thank you.  Your post is appreciated, however, because it isn't full of the "what if" and "maybe" type speculations that were in your previous posts.
I don't have an ax to grind. I'm just overly concerned about non-pilots, media and bereaved survivors looking to quote one of us idiots who speculate on such things. It infringes on our freedom of flight because ignorant regulators start to pass restrictions on our freedom based in idiotic speculation.
It has happened many times, and did in the case of another friend who died last year. The local paper printed all sorts of distortions that they claim came from this archive. Land developers are always keen on whipping up hype about how dangerous little airplanes are so that they can close airports and develop the land.
You lose about 80% of a conversation when all you have is text. No inflection of voice, no body language etc. Although I appear to you as emotional or having an ax to grind ... I'm simply expressing a sense of urgency that you and others refrain yourselves from speculating because of those who are watching a reading this forum.
These article links below sum it up best. I won't copy and quote the whole thing here, though (for AOPA members):
http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2003/speak0311.html
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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: Jim Pellien lost/ plus 2 others |
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Hello Fritz,
We cant also say anything about his flying altitude over terrain or trees without knowledge,
I have a video of some pilot making an aproach to Sky Bryce Airport. Go it from internet some time ago
That is a VERY dificult (and beautiful) aproach, Any given airplane has to fly around a hill very close the the terrain and also over 3 levels of terrain that almost touch the landing gear to get into the strip, No other way to land there without flying 3 times real close to the tree tops... Is like and inverted 3 level cake.
Is a video I enjoy very much, has lots of snow in winter.
Jim did the best he could, I feel it, I know it... Lets leave him alone,
Rest In Peace.
Saludos
Gary Gower.,
Big Gee <taffy0687(at)yahoo.com> wrote:[quote] David X,
Congratulations on your cross country flight. By the tone of your emails it sounds like you have an axe to grind.------ I was not speculating about anything concerning Jim's accident or the other couple's accident.-------- parts of both reports are below.
Jim-- didn't get killed because he ran out of fuel !! nor did the design of his fuel system have anything to do with it. Jim got killed because of what happened AFTER he ran out of fuel ( no, we don't know why this happened). The NTSB report says : "It was next observed "very low" over the trees, turning southward. It then turned towards the east, and the engine "surged," then became silent. Moments later, the airplane banked 90 degrees to the left and witnesses heard the sound of impact".
Like I said, this is an emotional topic (your comments reflect that) and hopefully something can be learned from it (not from speculating). I wasn't there, and neither were you.
The point I am trying to bring out is that in the flying business, "altitude is insurance".
1) On November 11, 2006, at 1630 eastern standard time, a Czech Aircraft Works CH 601 XL RTF, N601VA, was substantially damaged when it impacted trees following a loss of engine power while maneuvering near Sky Bryce Airport (VG18), Basye, Virginia. The certificated private pilot was fatally injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and no flight plan was filed for the local personal flight conducted under 14 CFR Part 91.
1) According to witness statements, the pilot stated that he was going to fly for "about an hour." The airplane was seen "circling" north of the airport, and then to descend. It was next observed "very low" over the trees, turning southward. It then turned towards the east, and the engine "surged," then became silent. Moments later, the airplane banked 90 degrees to the left and witnesses heard the sound of impact
The airplane which had an explosion in flight is referenced below in another NTSB report. There was nothing in my original post that I was speculating on, as a matter of fact I mentioned we should not be doing that (speculating). I do take offence to the tone of your letter, but will consider the source.-------- I did think that maybe one of the reasons for this site is to make flying and building safer.
2)On November 4, 2006, about 1139 Pacific standard time, an Aircraft Manufacturing & Development Co., CH601XL SLSA, N158MD, experienced an in-flight breakup while cruising approximately 8 nautical miles south of Yuba City, California. The airplane was destroyed. The private pilot, who was a co-owner of the airplane, and a passenger were fatally injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and no flight plan had been filed. The flight was performed under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91, and it originated from Lincoln, California, about 1129.
A ground-based witness reported hearing the airplane as it approached his location. The witness stated that the airplane's engine was "missing" and its power was "on and off." Seconds later the witness heard the sound of an explosion and observed the center section of the airplane falling straight down. All of the airplane's structural components were located in adjacent open fields during the National Transportation Safety Board's on-scene investigation. The wreckage consisted of the following components, which were separated from each other: left wing (without aileron); right wing (with aileron); main landing gear assembly; cockpit, engine with attached propeller blades; aileron (left wing); and empennage. There was no evidence of oil spray on any of the components, and there was no evidence of fire.
The wreckage has been recovered and detailed airframe and engine examinations are ongoing.
I think it is a shame that when we go to the NTSB accident page, type in "601" it shows, the latest two accidents resulted in three "fatals". If nothing is learned from this, the list will only get longer.
NOT SPECULATING--- Fritz
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| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Jim Pellien lost/ plus 2 others |
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I am not sure if anyone will read my reply so late after the last entry. But I thought you all should here from someone who flew with Jim and knew him personally.
For anyone who would doubt his ability to check the tanks before flight, you should know that he dutifully checked every aspect of his plane before flight. His family and friends are all aware that he was steadfast on the pre-flight checks. He would constantly check fuel level as well as water in the tank.
If Jim did not check the tanks and the tanks really were empty, you should know that the flight time before crashing would not have been enough for him to even get to the nearest airport with gas service. Perhaps that would be an issue for the man in Jim's employ who last flew the plane.
What I believe to be true is that Jim checked his plane as he normally did, knew he had enough fuel and took off for a leisurly flight. Something happened mid-air that caused a loss of fuel and he crashed.
Jim's family and friends have and will always stand behind the man they knew him to be. For anyone to suppose to know what he may or may not have done on that day is absurd and insulting to his life and his family.
If you want to learn a lesson here is my recommendation,
1. Never leave someone elses plane with not enough fuel to get to an airport that offers gas service.
2. Find out how an engine, any engine car or plane can leave as little as 2 ounces and be running 1 minute prior to crashing.
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