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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: Hello out There?

Hi all,



Doesn't anyone have any ideas, questions or problems we all can discuss on this forum? This is such a quiet forum.

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: Hello out There?

Licking the wounds of Rotax not getting the Cessna Light Sport contract.

Someday maybe VANS will move ahead with the RV-12 and there will be lots

of chatter.



John Cox

Aurora, OR



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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: Hello out There?

The Rans S-19 kits, using the Rotax 912, will also be shipping soon.



Bayne

San Diego CA

S-19 kit on order



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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: Hello out There?

lots of kit fox pilots in michigan  most use  rotax       michigan kit foxer  





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Tommy Walker

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 442
Location: Anniston, AL 36207

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: Hello out There?

Ok, here goes:  

   

After synchronizing the carburetors on my 912, idle speed now goes down to about 13-1400 when I pull the throttle back.    

   

Should I adjust the idle stop screws so that idle speed is in the 1800-2000 range?  Is there a possibility of the engine stopping when I pull back on the throttle at touchdown?  

   

Thanks,  



 Tommy Walker  

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Gilles.Thesee(at)ac-greno
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: Hello out There?

Tommy Walker a écrit :

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 Ok, here goes:



  



 After synchronizing the carburetors on my 912, idle speed now goes 

 down to about 13-1400 when I pull the throttle back. 



  



 Should I adjust the idle stop screws so that idle speed is in the 

 1800-2000 range?  Is there a possibility of the engine stopping when I 

 pull back on the throttle at touchdown?



  



 Thanks,

 Tommy Walker




	


Tommy,



As advised in the Rotax installation manuals, your throttle should 

include a positive idle stop to prevent straining the carb stops. If you 

don't have one, consider installing it. It is then easy to make small 

idle adjustments without disturbing the carb synch.

Yes your engine may stop at touchdown if there is no stop and you pull 

hard on the throttle. But the main goal of not too low an idle speed is 

preventing gearbox chatter and wear.



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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: Idle RPM

Hi Tommy,



The answer is yes you should make the adjustment to have your engine idel around 1800rpm. The answer is yes you could lose your engine if you bring it down to those low rpm. Rotax wants the 912 to idle at approximately 1800 rpm to keep the vibration/shock pulsation from the engine reduced in the gearbox.A higher idle is ok, but some like it lower than 2000rpm. A few rpm up or down makes no real difference. I usually will not go below 1750rpm for idle. When you pnematically sync the carbs the idle should have been done at that time to make sure they are equal. If you just turn the idle stop screws without a vacum gage on them you will not know which carb is doing most of the work and the left bank cylinders will be trying to run at a different rpm than the right bank, even with the crossover balance tube. The balance tube can get the 2 carbs close, but is not a fix or substitue for syncing your carbs.

When the vacum gage is in place the one with the least vacum is getting the most fuel. So if you need to come up in rpm turn the carb idel stop screw with the most or highest vacum. The vacum will come down and the rpm will come up. Both carbs should be the same vacum at 1800rpm. If you want your rpm to come down because it is too high then turn the idle stop screw with the least or lowest vacum. As the vacum goes up the rpm comes down.



If you have any further questions or would like me to talk you through this call me in Tucson, Az. 520-574-1080



Roger lee

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hgmckay

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 397

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:56 am Post subject: Hello out There?

Roger:



I monitor this forum, and at the moment there seems to be a lot of happiness

out there regarding the 912s. Everybody, like me, seems to be flying rather

than fixing or adjusting something on their 912s. To me this is good news!

However, have no fear, something will pop up, and then we all will again be

engrossed in solving the "Problem". Finally flying my Allegro 2000 with a

912 out of Laneys Airport (N92) and am enjoying it to the max!



Hugh McKay in North Carolina

Allegro 2000

Rotax 912 UL

N661WW



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ami(at)MCFADYEAN.FREESERV
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: Hello out There?

Try the Lycoming or Jabiru forum!



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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: Hello out There?

all the Rotax engines are running. Try the other engine forms.

[quote]From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami(at)MCFADYEAN.FREESERVE.CO.UK>

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Subject: Re: Hello out There?

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:06:54 +0100

<ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>

Try the Lycoming or Jabiru forum!

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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Hello out There?

Hi Guys,



I agree the good news as always is that the Rotax 912 just keeps on ticking, like a Timex, but we all need to consider the feeding and care to keep it happy for 10-15 years. If you could do something now for $25 wouldn't that be better than $800 or more later.

The idea of the first post was just to stimulate thought and for people to think about the future and maint. of their great engine, nothing more. Maybe to get more people involved in their own maint. of the engine.

 I have had a couple of 912's and think they are a great engine. 

Just want to help people keep their investment in good healthy shape.



P.S.

I'm not a Jabiru fan.

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jack.kuehn(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: Hello out There?

Yes there is a chance your engine can stop!! My engine stalled out after touchdown once.  Mine did the same thing after synchronizing, and I had to do it over at a higher RPM.  Do the whole process over and make sure the idle speed is correct.   



Jack



On 8/30/07, Tommy Walker <twalker(at)cableone.net (twalker(at)cableone.net)> wrote:[quote]              

Ok, here goes:  

   

After synchronizing the carburetors on my 912, idle speed now goes down to about 13-1400 when I pull the throttle back.    

   

Should I adjust the idle stop screws so that idle speed is in the 1800-2000 range?  Is there a possibility of the engine stopping when I pull back on the throttle at touchdown?  

   

Thanks,  



 Tommy Walker  

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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: Hello out There?

my 582 was running fine then after not flying for 4 days the  batteries went dead . so I half charged it and went flying but I noticed my  volt meter read about 11  when it always read 14 or so now today after not  flying for 2 days it was slow to roll over so I put it on a charger the charger  read 7 so I charged it up full and will weight till Friday morn to fly  again  HOW do I trouble shoot this problem?  malcolm  michigan   



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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Hello out There?

Hi Malcolm,

Don't fly it until you have this figured out. 

You may lose an engine in flight.

It has to be your charging unit out put or the reg/rectifier. My bet it is your reg/rectifier. They go out more often than most charging system parts. It is easy to replace, too. First look carefully at the wires going into the reg/rectifier and see if they look burnt or very dark in color. You can take a volt meter and put this on the terminals to the battery and see what the voltage to the battery is, like you said it should be about 13.8V to 14.2V is normal. This may vary a little, but should be close.

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:46 am Post subject: Re: Hello out There?

Roger,



Your advice not to fly until he figures out the charging problem may be misleading. For systems that require external electrical power, like radios etc. or engine starting, this makes sense. However, as you probably know, the magnetos in the 912 series engines, once the engine is running, are self-sustaining with no need for external excitation. The engine will continue to run until the mags are grounded or it runs out of fuel.

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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Hello out There?

Hi Thom,



That's true, but is it true with his 582?

I would feel better if I personally knew what the cause was so as not to damage anything or get caught too far from home. 

I'm the kind of guy who thinks that if it was working then why isn't it now and I just have to know the reason why. Just my nature I guess.

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: Re: Hello out There?

Roger,



I don't argue with the need to find the cause of the problem and fix it, but don't want anyone laboring under the misconception that the Rotax CDI ignition systems requires outside electrical power to keep the engine running. Though there are differences among the Rotax CDI ignition systems, from what I've seen in the Rotax installation manuals, they all work on the same principle, which means the 582 will continue to run without any external electrical supply, as do the 912 series.

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Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: Hello out There?

I posted the question about the charging system. after fully charging the  Batteries I have had no problem with the thing.    I also  foreword the posting about John Houk flying in   AK just for the pic  





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RockyRim

Joined: 12 Sep 2006
Posts: 15
Location: Austin, Texas

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: Hello out There?

Hi y'all,



Well,  after 3000+ miles for the sign off break-in, I would say that a 

flawless flight from

Texas to Idaho and back puts my 912S somewhere in my soul now.  I've had 

enough

$16,000 lycoming annuals.   I've finally gotten myself back into something 

in aviation

that makes sense and makes me smile.  My Kitfox with a 912S purring on the 

front,

twisting thru Moab Ut...  Yeah, I had a good week.



Denise and  Rocky Whitman

Kitfox 7, 4 years 912S

Comp.June,07

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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Hello out There?

Hi Rocky and Denise,



I glad to hear and see people are out enjoying life and flying both. You will like the 912 for many years to come. 



I'm also happy to see that all of us are sharing ideas, education and issues here on the forum. I think it makes everyones life easier and more fun.



We don't have to share problems we can share our fun and trips, too.

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