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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: New to me. Reply with quote

I decided to go VW on my new 701. I ordered and got the Great Plains Type 1 engine assembly manual. In it I saw something I never heard of before. It said that if you wanted to paint your engine cylinders to mix enamel and gasoline 50/50. Has anyone out there done that, and if so, what were the results and did it hold up?

Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: New to me. Reply with quote

Larry, There were some recent discussions on the Yahoo 701 list of how the VW is not good for the 701. Not sure if you monitor that list or not. If anybody could make it work, I know you can.

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I decided to go VW on my new 701. I ordered and got the Great Plains Type 1 engine assembly manual. In it I saw something I never heard of before. It said that if you wanted to paint your engine cylinders to mix enamel and gasoline 50/50. Has anyone out there done that, and if so, what were the results and did it hold up?

Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: New to me. Reply with quote

I did that on both the VW and Corvair. It seemed to work ok. Its more like a varnish than paint. Just avoid the urge to smoke.

Randy Stout
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:52 am    Post subject: New to me. Reply with quote

G'Day Larry

Good choice for an engine... I assume that it will have the redrive. I would get the all aluminum case that Steve has instead of the alum. mag. standard Type 1 case... its more robust and holds torque better. Although its about 10-12 heavier it is you don't have to worry about cracking the case behind #3 cylinder like the standard case... when you increase the stroke to 82mm from stock. Best bet next to a Type 4 case.

R.D.(Ron) Leclerc
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:-[ Plains Type 1 engine assembly manual. In it I saw something I
:-[ never heard of before. It said that if you wanted to paint your
:-[ engine cylinders to mix enamel and gasoline 50/50. Has anyone out
:-[ there done that, and if so, what were the results and did it hold
:-[ up?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:50 am    Post subject: New to me. Reply with quote

Larry, this is going to be your 3rd engine installation, I am sorry to hear that the Hog didn’t work out for you. If it has any weight, I have flown behind VW 701’s and I would recommend a Gro conversion with a Raven redrive. I have found this to be a far better performer. However this is only my opinion and you do enjoy a challenge.
Check out Rick Roberts website for installation in a 701 and look into www.nessaaircraft.net for great proven information on upping the performance of the geo to make your 701 a true performer.

Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: New to me. Reply with quote

Nope, this is for my new 701, totally different plane. Lengthened the wings and going with VGs on this one. The Hawg is still up and running, just waiting on a prop adjustment from Culver. I couldn't get the static rpm I needed. Hopefully real soon. The Hawg is working out, just takes a lot of patience. Building and designing is where the fun is anyway, Larry
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: New to me. Reply with quote

LARRY, WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS DID YOU HAVE WITH THE HOG - AIR ENG? How many hr. did you have on it?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:15 am    Post subject: New to me. Reply with quote

Not that many with the engine really. Most of them were my fault. In as far as the engine goes, the only real issue with the engine is the large power pulses. I had to go thru three props before I got one that was acceptable. The Warp Drive had a blade that tracked out over 1/4", I just could not get it to smooth out. I sold it on e-bay and lost my (at)#$#. The IVO prop was worse, one of it's blades wouldn't even fit on the prop hub without forcing it. They refunded my money. The Culver is best, but too long and too much pitch. All I could get was 3k static. It's now being re-done. I can't say enough good things about Larry Smith at Culver. The engine runs great, I have 21 hours on it. After all the engine is a Harley, and will never run as smooth as a car engine, what it is, is what it is. I had the engine mounted too hard to the firewall. I had eight mounts, so I felt every little shake rattle and roll, it is now back to the normal six. I had two supertrapp mufflers hung ridged off the engine, 4.5 lbs each, a foot back. They magnified the vibrations. They sounded good but are history, I now have straight pipes down.

The biggest other problem I had were with the plastic gas tanks and lines from PegaStol. They used food service fittings and lines that wouldn't hold up to gasoline. I ended up building my own glass tanks and changed out all the lines to regular auto type fuel injections lines. I had to take the wings apart twice, lots of time. And, lots of little crap, like the EFIS didn't work, had to go back to the factory, I broke a knob off the radio, etc. Then I had a spinner that I didn't fasten properly and it came off at about 3000 rpm, and tore up the front of my cowl. So I had to rebuild the cowling. For a while I think I was snake bit. So I let it sit for a few months and did other things.

Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: New to me. Reply with quote

LARRY , we had the same problem with a 2 blade prop , out about 5/16 out, sent the prop back they re checked it and sent it back, put it back on, same prob. Heat got to be a prob. also .   Joe N101HD 601XL                  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: New to me. Reply with quote

A two blade prop tracking problem is easy to fix, just put a little aluminum tape under the low side between the hub and prop until you get you get it tracking right. It doesn't take much to make a whole bunch of difference at the tip. I had to do that on the Culver. A three or four blade is possible to correct that way but harder to get right. Both of these guys, i.e., Warp Drive/ IVO said a 1'4" out of track was acceptable. I don't agree, if it ain't tracking true, it can't be smooth. It is not so difficult to get it right. Warp Drive told me that sometimes they come out a little different from the molds. Well most of you know I do a lot of glass work and I'm here to tell you that if you use the same mold on two parts and leave them in long enough to cure, they are exactly the same. If you pop them early, they can distort. They just get in a hurry and won't admit the problem.
I got the heat problem corrected, had to do some creative baffling, but is under control. Take care, Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: New to me. Reply with quote

Larry - You make it all sound so easy.

Breaking new ground like this is amazing, and sharing the experience with the rest of us is appreciated.

I swear if I ever win the lottery I'm going to retire and just follow guys like you around so I can learn stuff. If I ever buy lottery tickets. Smile

From my vantage point as a first-time homebuilder, it would be like learning from Bernie Pietenpol or WW or Steve Wittman.

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