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nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

I was in the local HF store last weekend to pick up some

tools for the 'Connection's west campus and spotted some

AA alkaline cells on sale in a 24 pak for $5 . . . about

21 cents per cell.



I picked up a package and stuck a couple of the cells on

my super-duper battery runnerdowner to see how much energy

they contained and compared them with a pair of Duracells.



The results of the test are shown here:



http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/HF_aa_vs_Duracell.jpg

At a 300 mA discharge rate, the Duracells dropped below

1.0 volts right at 5 hours (1.5 a.h.) The HF cells tossed

in the towel at about 4 hours and 20 minutes. At this fairly

aggressive discharge rate, the el-cheeso HF cells proved

to be an excellent value at $.21 each.



If there's a Harbor Freight outlet near you, you might

want to pick up a pak or two. They have excellent shelf

life.



        Bob . . .



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        ( "Problems are the price of progress. )

        ( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )

        ( Good news weakens me."               )

        (              -Charles F. Kettering-  )

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earl_schroeder(at)juno.co
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

Along the same line, Rural King has 48 alalines for $4.49.  I haven't tested them but I'll bet it is the same battery.  Ear



-- "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net> wrote:




I was in the local HF store last weekend to pick up some

tools for the 'Connection's west campus and spotted some

AA alkaline cells on sale in a 24 pak for $5 . . . about

21 cents per cell.



I picked up a package and stuck a couple of the cells on

my super-duper battery runnerdowner to see how much energy

they contained and compared them with a pair of Duracells.



The results of the test are shown here:



http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/HF_aa_vs_Duracell.jpg

At a 300 mA discharge rate, the Duracells dropped below

1.0 volts right at 5 hours (1.5 a.h.) The HF cells tossed

in the towel at about 4 hours and 20 minutes. At this fairly

aggressive discharge rate, the el-cheeso HF cells proved

to be an excellent value at $.21 each.



If there's a Harbor Freight outlet near you, you might

want to pick up a pak or two. They have excellent shelf

life.



        Bob . . .



        ----------------------------------------

        ( "Problems are the price of progress. )

        ( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )

        ( Good news weakens me."               )

        (              -Charles F. Kettering-  )

        ----------------------------------------

nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

At 07:16 PM 9/25/2007 +0000, you wrote:



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<earl_schroeder(at)juno.com>



Along the same line, Rural King has 48 alalines for $4.49.  I haven't 

tested them but I'll bet it is the same battery.  Ear


	


    Pretty good price. In fact, the lowest I've ever heard of.



    If you want me to put the dipstick into them, drop a couple

    in an envelope and mail to 6936 Bainbridge Road, Wichita,

    KS  67226.  I'll plot them and add to the database on tested

    products.

        Bob . . .



        ----------------------------------------

        ( "Problems are the price of progress. )

        ( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )

        ( Good news weakens me."               )

        (              -Charles F. Kettering-  )

        ----------------------------------------

handainc(at)madisoncounty
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

Just checked Rural King's website - price appears to be $9.99 online for 

48 akalines. 

Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net>



 At 07:16 PM 9/25/2007 +0000, you wrote:



> 

> <earl_schroeder(at)juno.com>

>

> Along the same line, Rural King has 48 alalines for $4.49.  I haven't 

> tested them but I'll bet it is the same battery.  Ear



    Pretty good price. In fact, the lowest I've ever heard of.



    If you want me to put the dipstick into them, drop a couple

    in an envelope and mail to 6936 Bainbridge Road, Wichita,

    KS  67226.  I'll plot them and add to the database on tested

    products.

        Bob . . .



        ----------------------------------------

        ( "Problems are the price of progress. )

        ( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )

        ( Good news weakens me."               )

        (              -Charles F. Kettering-  )

        ----------------------------------------

earl_schroeder(at)juno.co
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

OOOPS, you are correct.  I mistyped.  Sorry, just looked at my receipt. Earl

Still a good price...



-- "H. M. Haught Jr. " <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> wrote:




Just checked Rural King's website - price appears to be $9.99 online for 

48 akalines. 

Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net>



 At 07:16 PM 9/25/2007 +0000, you wrote:



> 

> <earl_schroeder(at)juno.com>

>

> Along the same line, Rural King has 48 alalines for $4.49.  I haven't 

> tested them but I'll bet it is the same battery.  Ear



    Pretty good price. In fact, the lowest I've ever heard of.



    If you want me to put the dipstick into them, drop a couple

    in an envelope and mail to 6936 Bainbridge Road, Wichita,

    KS  67226.  I'll plot them and add to the database on tested

    products.

        Bob . . .



        ----------------------------------------

        ( "Problems are the price of progress. )

        ( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )

        ( Good news weakens me."               )

        (              -Charles F. Kettering-  )

        ----------------------------------------

jdalton77(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

Yes, Chinese slave labor makes Harbor Freights products cheap.  Of course, 

they could blow up or leak.

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Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

I think your perception is a little (maybe 25 years) out of date. I believe

China is the fastest growing free market economy in the world, but still

governed by a communist political dictatorship. Try to go for a day without

using a product from "Red" China (vs. Taiwan). Stay away from your computer,

watch out for that coffee cup, don't try to use a pen or watch TV or answer

your phone. Like it or not, we now live in a world economy. Not buying

Chinese products is akin to not buying products from say Nebraska. Borders

don't mean what they used to, and I think we are all better off for it. But

I will agree that we need to be even more careful about the quality of the

products we buy.  Country of origin is no longer a reliable indicator of

quality, or of the degree of freedom of the workers who built it.



Terry





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jdalton77(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

I don't suppose you read the papers?  How many Chinese products have had 

seriousquality problems this year?



As far as being "25 years out of date" - I'm in the computer business, so I 

know about borders.  But you do the math - batterries for $.21?  I wouldn't 

call that a 'free market economy' - I'd call that a "slave wages economy."



Each to his own though - have fun with China - I'm building a Vans - made in 

the USA.



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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

Slow build, & all metal with no canopy or windscreen, right? (Otherwise, 

your statement doesn't mean much.) No, wait. Where was the ore mined?



How many Lyc & Continental crankshafts have had serious problems this year?



I heard all that fear & loathing excrement when I was a kid in the '50s 

about the Japanese, and every developing economy that has competed with 

the US ever since.



While you're avoiding slave labor economies, are you making sure you 

only buy gas pumped from US wells? How about the fiberglass parts, 

canopy, tiedown ropes, clothes, drugs, etc you buy that are made from 

petro-chemicals & petro-plastics?



The most effective way to destroy a communist regime is to infiltrate it 

with a capitalist economy. How long will those 'slave laborers' stay 

down on the farm knowing all they are building way too many jet skis for 

the limited number of rich party officials, & they are going to want 

their cut. Roll in the internet (despite the regime's attempt to limit 

what's seen) & the regime is a dead man walking.



Cubans would have thrown the bums out decades ago if American tourists 

had been visiting on a regular basis, showing the common folk what they 

could have with a better economic system. (Little joke about health care 

deleted from this space.)



How 'bout them Electrons?



Charlie



jdalton77 wrote:

[quote] 

 <jdalton77(at)comcast.net>

 

 I don't suppose you read the papers?  How many Chinese products have had 

 seriousquality problems this year?

 

 As far as being "25 years out of date" - I'm in the computer business, 

 so I know about borders.  But you do the math - batterries for $.21?  I 

 wouldn't call that a 'free market economy' - I'd call that a "slave 

 wages economy."

 

 Each to his own though - have fun with China - I'm building a Vans - 

 made in the USA.

 

 ---

nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

At 07:14 PM 9/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:



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I don't suppose you read the papers?  How many Chinese products have had 

seriousquality problems this year?


	


   . . . as opposed to how many products have NOT had serious quality

   problems? Popular media is the last place one can acquire the

   big picture for significance of any particular issue. Yes,

   lead in the kiddy-toy paint is the crisis du jour found worthy

   of much renting of garments and gnashing of teeth this month.

   Next month it will be something else. The free market has nothing to do with

   quality or origin of goods and services. In a FREE market, the

   buyer is FREE to make a buy-or-pass decision; the seller is

   equally FREE to make a sell-or-pass decision.

 	  Quote: 	
		  As far as being "25 years out of date" - I'm in the computer business, so 

I know about borders.  But you do the math - batterries for $.21?  I 

wouldn't call that a 'free market economy' - I'd call that a "slave wages 

economy."


	


   The .21 figure is irrelevant. The rudimentary commodity of

   trade for all transactions in a free market is $time$. The

   question to ask and answer is "how many minutes of your labor

   does it take to pay for a loaf of bread . . . a pound of cheese .

   . . etc?  The other factor to ponder is whether it is 'better' to have

   a job that makes 21 cent batteries or no job that makes 50 cent

   batteries? E.g., if we somehow had the power to close down the 21

   cent battery factory, what jobs are waiting to be filled by those

   workers?



   If you can keep thousands of battery workers generating positive cash

   flow by kicking Duracell's butt, is that not a fundamental condition

   that made your computer so inexpensive and a good bottle of wine

   to be had for under $10?



   But I'm sure the 21 cent battery is a temporary promotional sale.

   As I recall the last time I priced batteries at Harbor freight,

   they were just as expensive as 37 cent Duracells from Sam's.

   The only time I buy C-clamps at HF is when a particular size goes

   on sale for $2 each. I stocked the wood shop in Medicine Lodge

   with a bucket full of 6" clamps last spring for dirt cheap. They're

   normally $4.50 each.



   Let us strive not to get our thongs in a knot over assumptions

   derived from erroneous assessment of poor and/or incomplete data.



   Bob . . .

n8zg(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

Bob in a thong - there's a visual I didn't need...<8-O 



Neal E. George

2023 Everglades Drive

Navarre, FL 32566

Home - 850-515-0640

Cell - 850-218-4838



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   Let us strive not to get our thongs in a knot over assumptions

   derived from erroneous assessment of poor and/or incomplete data.



   Bob . . .

echristley(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		     lead in the kiddy-toy paint is the crisis du jour found worthy

   of much renting of garments and gnashing of teeth this month.



..snip...
	


 	  Quote: 	
		     Let us strive not to get our thongs in a knot over assumptions

   derived from erroneous assessment of poor and/or incomplete data.



   Bob . . .

You wearing a thong, Bob?  Good gawd!  That is WAY to much information.  
	


Aaaah!  My eyes!  My eyes!  Must pluck out my EYES!!! 



I just hope it isn't a rented garment.

8*)



-- 

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in 

a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, 

thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine in 

the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"

--Unknown

nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

 	  Quote: 	
		  You wearing a thong, Bob?  Good gawd!  That is WAY to much information.

Aaaah!  My eyes!  My eyes!  Must pluck out my EYES!!!

I just hope it isn't a rented garment.


	


   Naw . . . found it in the dryer at the laundromat.

   Crummy color tho . . .



   Bob . . .

        ----------------------------------------

        ( "Problems are the price of progress. )

        ( Don't bring me anything but trouble. )

        ( Good news weakens me."               )

        (              -Charles F. Kettering-  )

        ----------------------------------------

cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

If you can keep thousands of battery workers generating positive cash

   flow by kicking Duracell's butt, is that not a fundamental condition

   that made your computer so inexpensive and a good bottle of wine

   to be had for under $10?



Bob,



A good bottle of wine for under 10 bucks---are you kidding?  I gave up on <$10 wine when I kept getting cuts on my fingers from the screw caps. Filtering it through white bread helped the taste a little but my advice is don't drink anything that doesn't at least have a plastic cork in it....though I do highly recommend the wine comes in those cute cardboard containers with a plastic bag in it.  Just remember, you get what you pay for.  Be careful out there!  



Chuck

LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

But quickbuilt in foreign markets because labor is cheaper...that

foreign market could be overseas, or in your garage, foreign market or

outsourced labor these days only means labor not directly associated

with the original producers bottom line. And yes Vans can lay claim to

your labor as their own, attend any one of there get togethers and they

will tell you that more than 1.5 airplanes a day are being put in the

air by Vans aircraft, they are laying claim to being the largest

producer of aircraft, and I would agree, they make the kits and

outsource the labor but their name is still ending up on the end

product...regardless of who is final assembling the product it is still

recognized as a Vans RV.

And yes I have assembled an RV10, and even though it is not registered

as a Vans RV, it is still accounted for as an RV

Dan

N289DT RV10E 



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nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: Harbor Freight AA cells on sale . . .

At 09:29 AM 9/27/2007 -0400, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  

<LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>



But quickbuilt in foreign markets because labor is cheaper...that

foreign market could be overseas, or in your garage, foreign market or

outsourced labor these days only means labor not directly associated

with the original producers bottom line. And yes Vans can lay claim to

your labor as their own, attend any one of there get togethers and they

will tell you that more than 1.5 airplanes a day are being put in the

air by Vans aircraft, they are laying claim to being the largest

producer of aircraft, and I would agree, they make the kits and

outsource the labor but their name is still ending up on the end

product...regardless of who is final assembling the product it is still

recognized as a Vans RV.

And yes I have assembled an RV10, and even though it is not registered

as a Vans RV, it is still accounted for as an RV


	




    An interesting perspective sir. Thank you for sharing that.



    Bob . . .

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