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zedvair

Joined: 29 Sep 2007
Posts: 4

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

I'm just starting to consider building.  While I'd think I'd be happy with a 601xl, the new Patriot high wing, with it's better STOL characteristics and similar cross-country characteristics, intrigues me.



Is anyone aware of plans by Zenith to offer a kit version of the Patriot?



It seems like a good candidate for the corvair, since it was designed for the O-200.

bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

As I understand it, the Patriot is not a Zenith design and is not sold by Zenith. It was designed by a South American company and is being built under liscense by AMD in Georgia. Since AMD doesn't build kit aircraft, I doubt the Patriot will be offered as a kit. AMD is not Zenith, it is a separate company run by one of Chris Heintz's sons.

On Sep 29, 2007, at 6:31 PM, zedvair wrote:

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I'm just starting to consider building.  While I'd think I'd be happy with a 601xl, the new Patriot high wing, with it's better STOL characteristics and similar cross-country characteristics, intrigues me.

Is anyone aware of plans by Zenith to offer a kit version of the Patriot?

It seems like a good candidate for the corvair, since it was designed for the O-200.

	






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alhays(at)hickoryhillfarm
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

I'm guessing that there have been folks anticipating the CH750 thinking 

Zenith brought it out as the Patriot.  I am hoping Zenith can offer the 

CH750 by the time I've finished the 601XL.

When I was at a rudder builders workshop in May, I saw what at first 

looked to me like an O-200 on a CH701 fuselage, but looking closer and 

talking with a couple other attendees, we concluded it had to be a 

CH750 in the works.

I wonder if anyone who's been there since then has seen it?

On Sep 30, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Bryan Martin wrote:

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		   As I understand it, the Patriot is not a Zenith design and is not sold 

 by Zenith. It was designed by a South American company and is being 

 built under liscense by AMD in Georgia. Since AMD doesn't build kit 

 aircraft, I doubt the Patriot will be offered as a kit. AMD is not 

 Zenith, it is a separate company run by one of Chris Heintz's sons.

 On Sep 29, 2007, at 6:31 PM, zedvair wrote:

> 

>

> I'm just starting to consider building. While I'd think I'd be happy 

> with a 601xl, the new Patriot high wing, with it's better STOL 

> characteristics and similar cross-country characteristics, intrigues 

> me.

>

> Is anyone aware of plans by Zenith to offer a kit version of the 

> Patriot?

>

> It seems like a good candidate for the corvair, since it was designed 

> for the O-200.

>

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 Bryan Martin

 N61BM, CH 601 XL,

 RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

 do not archive.

rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

Bryan,

      You say in your message  below that AMD does not build kit aircraft.  I think they build the  ZodiacXL which is available as a kit so what is it a factory certified aircraft  because they build it?????

  

 Bob Stone

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

AMD builds and sells the CH601XL as a factory built, ready to fly SLSA. They do not sell the airplane as a kit. Zenith Aircraft sells the CH601XL as a amateur built kit. The 601 built by AMD is not exactly the same as the kit sold by Zenith. So yes, it is a factory built, certificated airplane because AMD built it under the SLSA consensus standards. On the other hand, I believe AMD does make some parts for Zenair that are used in the CH640 kit.

On Sep 30, 2007, at 6:12 PM, robert stone wrote:

[quote]Bryan,

     You say in your message below that AMD does not build kit aircraft.  I think they build the ZodiacXL which is available as a kit so what is it a factory certified aircraft because they build it?????

 

Bob Stone

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jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

Bob,  

            All the Zenith related businesses are confusing.  Aircraft Development and  Manufacturing (AMD) is in Georgia and is run by Mathieu Heintz.  They manufacture and sell certified aircraft like the Alarus (ie CH2000).  They also sell the ready to fly Special LSA version of the 601 XL and the Patriot.  They also have a version called 601 Xli which is instrument flight certified.  AMD does not sell kits.  601kits are manufactured and sold by Zenith Aircraft Company (ZAC) in Mexico Missouri.  Sebastien Heintz is President of ZAC.  Nick Heintz is the production manager.  ZAC does not sell ready to fly airplanes.  Others like CANZAC (Mark Townsend), Flightcrafters, and Quality Sport Planes (Michael Heintz) sell kits and quick build kits.  There are several companies selling different, but maybe overlapping, products in the Zenith world.  Each has a web site if you want further details.  Skyshops and Chip Erwin evidently no longer have business relationships with Zenith.    

           Jeff Davidson   

     

     You say in your message below that AMD does not build kit aircraft.  I think they build the ZodiacXL which is available as a kit so what is it a factory certified aircraft because they build it?????  

    

   

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WClagg

Joined: 30 Jun 2006
Posts: 21

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

Hello all,

 I just got back home from the Zenith open house where I saw the CH750 fly.  I flew with Micheal Heintz in the 701 and of  course I asked about the 750. He said it flew really well ( of  course) but they still had some tweaking here and there to do. When I asked  about a time line he said it would be some time before you see kits. Like  he said, you just can't build it and start selling kits. All the tooling has to  be built, the drawings developed and proofed, molds for  fiberglass parts etc. have to be created.  It does have a 0200 on  it. 

 Compared to the 701 what I noticed about it just by looking was is has  a wider cabin, the struts are larger and the panel forward is a little  different. The tail feathers and aft fuselage appear the same. When I drove up I  thought it was a 701 until I got closer. We'll just have to wait  but it  looked like the answer to the 701 shortcomings, if there are any.

 Wayne Clagg

 Ch701 coming along 



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shilcom

Joined: 28 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

There is a low wing "patriot" owned by Don Zank,  but I guess you have said this "Patriot" is a high wing design.  Where can  you see infor on the Patriot that AMD is developing.  Bob U. 

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jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

Try http://www.newplane.com/   do not archive  

         

  

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There is a low wing "patriot" owned by Don Zank, but I guess you have said this "Patriot" is a high wing design.  Where can you see infor on the Patriot that AMD is developing.  Bob U.   

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zedvair

Joined: 29 Sep 2007
Posts: 4

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:15 am Post subject: Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

Does the CH750 have leading edge slats? Or a Patriot like (conventional) airfoil?

WClagg

Joined: 30 Jun 2006
Posts: 21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:54 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

Unbelievably I can't remember for sure. I'm almost positive it had slats as  I recall it looked like it had 701 wings. You'd think I would notice if it  didn't have slats considering all the talk of late about removing the  slats.

 Wayne 

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Al Hays

Joined: 01 Oct 2007
Posts: 42
Location: Gore, VA

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

Unless there has been a change in plans at Zenith, it doesn't sound 

like they'll sell plans or a kit version.  With all the factory built 

LSA's to compete with, I personally think a kit would sell better.   

See the article in this link I found doing a search for CH750 on their 

website.

www.zenithair.com/news/ch750.html

Al



On Oct 1, 2007, at 5:51 PM, RClaggf4u(at)aol.com wrote:



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 Unbelievably I can't remember for sure. I'm almost positive it had 

 slats as I recall it looked like it had 701 wings. You'd think I would 

 notice if it didn't have slats considering all the talk of late about 

 removing the slats.

 Wayne

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jfosse1(at)shawneelink.ne
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?

I was at Mexico last month and took a look at the CH 750 and it does have 

slats.  The biggest difference I noted was the baggage compartment with 

windows, the heavier gear (much wider), different brakes, narrow tires 

(possibly just for flight testing)  and the O200 Continental.  Other than 

that I could hardly tell the difference.



BTW, I had the good fortune of attending the "Gathering of Mustangs" last 

Saturday.  There were 109 of them.  What a hoot!!!



Jim Fosse

701 N329F (Down for annual)

Goreville, Il

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