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Folks,
This letter on the removal of the 300/600 limitation in 8130 went out in an RPA Ecom a few weeks back and reprinted here, I was told the practice of "rewriting OL when moving FSDOs" would also be a thing of the past,
Just throwing it out there for your consideration/discusion.
EAA and the Warbirds of America (WOA) received terrific news this week from the FAA regarding experimental exhibition operating limitations for former military aircraft in Groups I, II, and III. The FAA has announced a process to allow for a [RR1] , permitting owners to conduct proficiency flights beyond the 300 nm (piston) and 600 nm (turbine) radius of operations stipulated in a section of FAA Order 8130.2F.
The geographic limitations were adopted as a safety measure in the early 1990s when a large number of former military aircraft was imported into the United States. Since then, safety records have shown that the proficiency limitations did little, if anything, to improve safety. Industry groups, including WOA, felt that allowing pilots to train outside these limits would help raise the pilot’s experience and proficiency levels, thus improving safety.
Discussions on the issue turned a huge corner during meetings hosted by EAA and WOA in March 2007 when industry representatives and senior FAA officials reviewed FAA Order 8130.2F and discussed recommendations on future revisions. At EAA AirVenture 2007 in July, the FAA agreed to issue the letter of deviation and discussed the proposed timetable for its release. Other organizations represented included the Commemorative Air Force (CAF); Classic Jet Aircraft Association (CJAA); and Courtesy Aircraft.
Input was also received from the Army Aviation Heritage Foundation (AAHF); North American Trainer Association (NATA); Red Star Pilots Association (RPA); International Aerobatic Club (IAC); as well as pilots and owners of former military aircraft.
“We are extremely pleased with this outcome,” said Rick Siegfried, EAA Warbirds of America president. “EAA Warbirds of America and our industry partners have worked very hard on our members’ behalf. By meeting face-to-face in Oshkosh with FAA officials, we were able to work through this and other issues. We have submitted a list of recommended revisions to FAA Order 8130.2F and look forward to even more progress in the weeks and months to come.”
Owners of experimental exhibition aircraft are encouraged to review the FAA memorandum and decide for themselves if it is in their best interest to request the letter of deviation. For many owners and operators of warbirds aircraft, this is an attractive option, helping them expand their training and proficiency options.
Siegfried applauded the EAA Government Relations Programs staff of Earl Lawrence, Doug Macnair, Randy Hansen, and Lynn Nelson for their support, along with the industry partners who participated in the process. Also playing key roles were WOA Executive Director Bill Fischer and the WOA Government Affairs Committee, including Connie Bowlin, Ray Dieckman, Jack Harrington, Bill Harrison, Michael Schloss, Siegfried, and Warren Wood.
EAA, EAA Warbirds of America, and industry representatives will continue to work on our member’s behalf to maintain and improve our freedom of flight. For more information regarding EAA Warbirds of America programs and activities, or to join or renew your EAA Warbirds of America membership, visit www.warbirds-eaa.org.
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How to obtain the letter of deviation:
- Former military aircraft receiving initial experimental exhibition (FAR 21.191(d)) certification from today forward, need to present the September 11, 2007 FAA Memorandum to their FSDO in order to be exempt from the 300/600-mile proficiency flight area limitation. The next change to FAA Order 8130.2(F) will contain the elimination of this requirement, but in the meantime, this FAA Memorandum is the authority to remove the proficiency flight area limitation on their operating limitations.
- All former military experimental exhibition aircraft in Groups I, II, and III currently operating and with the flight proficiency 300/600 mile limitations on their operating limitations must continue to operate under the issued limitations until such time they get their operating limitations updated from their local FSDO.
- All former military experimental exhibition aircraft owners can immediately apply to their local FSDO to amend their operating limitations to eliminate the 300/600-mile flight proficiency area limitation. Once amended, they will no longer have a proficiency flight area limitation. When submitting the request to the FSDO to drop the proficiency area limitation, owners should:
- Submit a cover letter to their local FSDO—“Request the operating limitations issued to TYPE OF AIRCRAFT, N-NUMBER, be updated to eliminate the proficiency flight area limitation per FAA Memorandum, subject: Deviation to Order 8130.2, dated September 11, 2007, from Frank Paskiewicz, Manager AIR-200. FAA headquarters, AFS-800, and AIR-200 have approved that this operating limitation change request will be processed per FAA Order 8130.2F, paragraph 27b(6), and no aircraft certification inspection is required for this paperwork change.”
The owners need to attach the following to their letter:
(1) A completed FAA Form 8130-6 http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8130-6d.pdf/; and
(2) A copy of their current operating limitations (not the original); and
(3) A copy of their aircraft registration (not the original); and
(4) A copy of the FAA Memorandum from AIR-200.
- As a note, once the local FSDO office is ready to update the operating limitations, the owners can expect to go to that office and exchange their old operating limitations for a new set (face to face).
- The mailing addresses for local FSDOs is at:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/
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[quote]
Time: 04:11:56 AM PST US
From: "Ira Saligman"
Subject: Aircraft acquisition and FAA
In the event one buys an aircraft outside of their FSDO, are there any
requirements to ferry it to the home FSDO?
At the moment on acquisition you could have an experimental not under the
"guidance": of any FSDO.
Ira Saligman
o 610 940 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
isaligman(at)Saligman.com
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 04:52:12 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Subject: Re: RE: FAA Memorandum - 8130.2F
Reade,
Everything that is applicable to that specific including the 300/600 NM
proficiency area will be written in the aircraft's operating limitations.
My guess would be because the OL's were issued prior to 1993, there are no
restrictions/no 300/600 NM proficiency area. ie: "pre-moratorium" aircraft.
Anyone who has a pre-moratorium aircraft is very lucky because the OL's were
written under a different FAA Order.
Dennis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
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Drew,
Until such time as a new FAA Order is issued, the existing Order 8130.2F Change 3 remains in effect. That means OL's and Airworthiness Certificates must be reissued when the aircraft changes FSDO's or Home Base airports. The exception is how the OL's were written. Some were issued with an "Operational Program Letter" (not to be confused with Annual Program Letter) which basically eliminated the reissuance of the OL's and AC by a simply have the owner certify that he/she has read the OL's and will comply with them and then state the new home base airport is -----.
Dennis
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
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Can someone post the letter of deviation pdf? Seems YAHOO has closed that link!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:50 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
Folks,
This letter on the removal of the 300/600 limitation in 8130 went out in an RPA Ecom a few weeks back and reprinted here, I was told the practice of "rewriting OL when moving FSDOs" would also be a thing of the past,
Just throwing it out there for your consideration/discusion.
EAA and the Warbirds of America (WOA) received terrific news this week from the FAA regarding experimental exhibition operating limitations for former military aircraft in Groups I, II, and III. The FAA has announced a process to allow for a [url=#_msocom_1][RR1][/url]<![endif]> [RR1], permitting owners to conduct proficiency flights beyond the 300 nm (piston) and 600 nm (turbine) radius of operations stipulated in a section of FAA Order 8130.2F.
The geographic limitations were adopted as a safety measure in the early 1990s when a large number of former military aircraft was imported into the United States. Since then, safety records have shown that the proficiency limitations did little, if anything, to improve safety. Industry groups, including WOA, felt that allowing pilots to train outside these limits would help raise the pilot’s experience and proficiency levels, thus improving safety.
Discussions on the issue turned a huge corner during meetings hosted by EAA and WOA in March 2007 when industry representatives and senior FAA officials reviewed FAA Order 8130.2F and discussed recommendations on future revisions. At EAA AirVenture 2007 in July, the FAA agreed to issue the letter of deviation and discussed the proposed timetable for its release. Other organizations represented included the Commemorative Air Force (CAF); Classic Jet Aircraft Association (CJAA); and Courtesy Aircraft.
Input was also received from the Army Aviation Heritage Foundation (AAHF); North American Trainer Association (NATA); Red Star Pilots Association (RPA); International Aerobatic Club (IAC); as well as pilots and owners of former military aircraft.
“We are extremely pleased with this outcome,” said Rick Siegfried, EAA Warbirds of America president. “EAA Warbirds of America and our industry partners have worked very hard on our members’ behalf. By meeting face-to-face in Oshkosh with FAA officials, we were able to work through this and other issues. We have submitted a list of recommended revisions to FAA Order 8130.2F and look forward to even more progress in the weeks and months to come.”
Owners of experimental exhibition aircraft are encouraged to review the FAA memorandum and decide for themselves if it is in their best interest to request the letter of deviation. For many owners and operators of warbirds aircraft, this is an attractive option, helping them expand their training and proficiency options.
Siegfried applauded the EAA Government Relations Programs staff of Earl Lawrence, Doug Macnair, Randy Hansen, and Lynn Nelson for their support, along with the industry partners who participated in the process. Also playing key roles were WOA Executive Director Bill Fischer and the WOA Government Affairs Committee, including Connie Bowlin, Ray Dieckman, Jack Harrington, Bill Harrison, Michael Schloss, Siegfried, and Warren Wood.
EAA, EAA Warbirds of America, and industry representatives will continue to work on our member’s behalf to maintain and improve our freedom of flight. For more information regarding EAA Warbirds of America programs and activities, or to join or renew your EAA Warbirds of America membership, visit www.warbirds-eaa.org.
How to obtain the letter of deviation:
- Former military aircraft receiving initial experimental exhibition (FAR 21.191(d)) certification from today forward, need to present the September 11, 2007 FAA Memorandum to their FSDO in order to be exempt from the 300/600-mile proficiency flight area limitation. The next change to FAA Order 8130.2(F) will contain the elimination of this requirement, but in the meantime, this FAA Memorandum is the authority to remove the proficiency flight area limitation on their operating limitations.
- All former military experimental exhibition aircraft in Groups I, II, and III currently operating and with the flight proficiency 300/600 mile limitations on their operating limitations must continue to operate under the issued limitations until such time they get their operating limitations updated from their local FSDO.
- All former military experimental exhibition aircraft owners can immediately apply to their local FSDO to amend their operating limitations to eliminate the 300/600-mile flight proficiency area limitation. Once amended, they will no longer have a proficiency flight area limitation. When submitting the request to the FSDO to drop the proficiency area limitation, owners should:
- Submit a cover letter to their local FSDO—“Request the operating limitations issued to TYPE OF AIRCRAFT, N-NUMBER, be updated to eliminate the proficiency flight area limitation per FAA Memorandum, subject: Deviation to Order 8130.2, dated September 11, 2007, from Frank Paskiewicz, Manager AIR-200. FAA headquarters, AFS-800, and AIR-200 have approved that this operating limitation change request will be processed per FAA Order 8130.2F, paragraph 27b(6), and no aircraft certification inspection is required for this paperwork change.”
The owners need to attach the following to their letter:
(1) A completed FAA Form 8130-6 http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8130-6d.pdf/; and
(2) A copy of their current operating limitations (not the original); and
(3) A copy of their aircraft registration (not the original); and
(4) A copy of the FAA Memorandum from AIR-200.
- As a note, once the local FSDO office is ready to update the operating limitations, the owners can expect to go to that office and exchange their old operating limitations for a new set (face to face).
- The mailing addresses for local FSDOs is at:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/
[quote]
Time: 04:11:56 AM PST US
From: "Ira Saligman"
Subject: Aircraft acquisition and FAA
In the event one buys an aircraft outside of their FSDO, are there any
requirements to ferry it to the home FSDO?
At the moment on acquisition you could have an experimental not under the
"guidance": of any FSDO.
Ira Saligman
o 610 940 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
isaligman(at)Saligman.com
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 04:52:12 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Subject: Re: RE: FAA Memorandum - 8130.2F
Reade,
Everything that is applicable to that specific including the 300/600 NM
proficiency area will be written in the aircraft's operating limitations.
My guess would be because the OL's were issued prior to 1993, there are no
restrictions/no 300/600 NM proficiency area. ie: "pre-moratorium" aircraft.
Anyone who has a pre-moratorium aircraft is very lucky because the OL's were
written under a different FAA Order.
Dennis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
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Thanks Dennis.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:54 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
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From: Roger Kemp (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
Can someone post the letter of deviation pdf? Seems YAHOO has closed that link!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:50 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
Folks,
This letter on the removal of the 300/600 limitation in 8130 went out in an RPA Ecom a few weeks back and reprinted here, I was told the practice of "rewriting OL when moving FSDOs" would also be a thing of the past,
Just throwing it out there for your consideration/discusion.
EAA and the Warbirds of America (WOA) received terrific news this week from the FAA regarding experimental exhibition operating limitations for former military aircraft in Groups I, II, and III. The FAA has announced a process to allow for a [url=#_msocom_1][RR1][/url]<![endif]> [RR1], permitting owners to conduct proficiency flights beyond the 300 nm (piston) and 600 nm (turbine) radius of operations stipulated in a section of FAA Order 8130.2F.
The geographic limitations were adopted as a safety measure in the early 1990s when a large number of former military aircraft was imported into the United States. Since then, safety records have shown that the proficiency limitations did little, if anything, to improve safety. Industry groups, including WOA, felt that allowing pilots to train outside these limits would help raise the pilot’s experience and proficiency levels, thus improving safety.
Discussions on the issue turned a huge corner during meetings hosted by EAA and WOA in March 2007 when industry representatives and senior FAA officials reviewed FAA Order 8130.2F and discussed recommendations on future revisions. At EAA AirVenture 2007 in July, the FAA agreed to issue the letter of deviation and discussed the proposed timetable for its release. Other organizations represented included the Commemorative Air Force (CAF); Classic Jet Aircraft Association (CJAA); and Courtesy Aircraft.
Input was also received from the Army Aviation Heritage Foundation (AAHF); North American Trainer Association (NATA); Red Star Pilots Association (RPA); International Aerobatic Club (IAC); as well as pilots and owners of former military aircraft.
“We are extremely pleased with this outcome,” said Rick Siegfried, EAA Warbirds of America president. “EAA Warbirds of America and our industry partners have worked very hard on our members’ behalf. By meeting face-to-face in Oshkosh with FAA officials, we were able to work through this and other issues. We have submitted a list of recommended revisions to FAA Order 8130.2F and look forward to even more progress in the weeks and months to come.”
Owners of experimental exhibition aircraft are encouraged to review the FAA memorandum and decide for themselves if it is in their best interest to request the letter of deviation. For many owners and operators of warbirds aircraft, this is an attractive option, helping them expand their training and proficiency options.
Siegfried applauded the EAA Government Relations Programs staff of Earl Lawrence, Doug Macnair, Randy Hansen, and Lynn Nelson for their support, along with the industry partners who participated in the process. Also playing key roles were WOA Executive Director Bill Fischer and the WOA Government Affairs Committee, including Connie Bowlin, Ray Dieckman, Jack Harrington, Bill Harrison, Michael Schloss, Siegfried, and Warren Wood.
EAA, EAA Warbirds of America, and industry representatives will continue to work on our member’s behalf to maintain and improve our freedom of flight. For more information regarding EAA Warbirds of America programs and activities, or to join or renew your EAA Warbirds of America membership, visit www.warbirds-eaa.org.
How to obtain the letter of deviation:
- Former military aircraft receiving initial experimental exhibition (FAR 21.191(d)) certification from today forward, need to present the September 11, 2007 FAA Memorandum to their FSDO in order to be exempt from the 300/600-mile proficiency flight area limitation. The next change to FAA Order 8130.2(F) will contain the elimination of this requirement, but in the meantime, this FAA Memorandum is the authority to remove the proficiency flight area limitation on their operating limitations.
- All former military experimental exhibition aircraft in Groups I, II, and III currently operating and with the flight proficiency 300/600 mile limitations on their operating limitations must continue to operate under the issued limitations until such time they get their operating limitations updated from their local FSDO.
- All former military experimental exhibition aircraft owners can immediately apply to their local FSDO to amend their operating limitations to eliminate the 300/600-mile flight proficiency area limitation. Once amended, they will no longer have a proficiency flight area limitation. When submitting the request to the FSDO to drop the proficiency area limitation, owners should:
- Submit a cover letter to their local FSDO—“Request the operating limitations issued to TYPE OF AIRCRAFT, N-NUMBER, be updated to eliminate the proficiency flight area limitation per FAA Memorandum, subject: Deviation to Order 8130.2, dated September 11, 2007, from Frank Paskiewicz, Manager AIR-200. FAA headquarters, AFS-800, and AIR-200 have approved that this operating limitation change request will be processed per FAA Order 8130.2F, paragraph 27b(6), and no aircraft certification inspection is required for this paperwork change.”
The owners need to attach the following to their letter:
(1) A completed FAA Form 8130-6 http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8130-6d.pdf/; and
(2) A copy of their current operating limitations (not the original); and
(3) A copy of their aircraft registration (not the original); and
(4) A copy of the FAA Memorandum from AIR-200.
- As a note, once the local FSDO office is ready to update the operating limitations, the owners can expect to go to that office and exchange their old operating limitations for a new set (face to face).
- The mailing addresses for local FSDOs is at:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/
[quote]
Time: 04:11:56 AM PST US
From: "Ira Saligman"
Subject: Aircraft acquisition and FAA
In the event one buys an aircraft outside of their FSDO, are there any
requirements to ferry it to the home FSDO?
At the moment on acquisition you could have an experimental not under the
"guidance": of any FSDO.
Ira Saligman
o 610 940 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
isaligman(at)Saligman.com
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 04:52:12 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Subject: Re: RE: FAA Memorandum - 8130.2F
Reade,
Everything that is applicable to that specific including the 300/600 NM
proficiency area will be written in the aircraft's operating limitations.
My guess would be because the OL's were issued prior to 1993, there are no
restrictions/no 300/600 NM proficiency area. ie: "pre-moratorium" aircraft.
Anyone who has a pre-moratorium aircraft is very lucky because the OL's were
written under a different FAA Order.
Dennis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
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Does the change remove the need for the required annual letter to the supervising FSDO? I've looked and can't find any mention of the letter. Do we need to send them an annual reminder that we're still operating the A/C in their area?
Mark Davis
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
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Answer.....Yes. Don't read anything into the Memorandum. The only thing the Memorandum does is facilitate the elimination of the 300/600 mile proficiency area by amending the aircraft's operating limitations and Airworthiness Certificate.
Dennis
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
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Why would we need to send an annual letter that we are flying anywhere
if we don't have to report leaving 300/600nm area? Doesn't make sense
to tell them what airshow we are attending (we'll be on the waver) or it
is the same as us flying to any other airport for proficiency.
Dabear
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
[quote] Answer.....Yes. Don't read anything into the Memorandum. The only
thing the Memorandum does is facilitate the elimination of the 300/600
mile proficiency area by amending the aircraft's operating limitations
and Airworthiness Certificate.
Dennis
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I completely agree. It doesn't make sense. But until such time as the
Order is revised to reflect no annual program letter of events, then we
still have to comply. Now think about this..... The FSDO's are having to
amend existing OL's and Airworthiness Certificates to delete the 300/600
mile proficiency area. When the revised Order comes out, guess what! They
are going to have to do it all over again if any of the statements in our
existing OL's are effectively rescinded in the revised Order. That includes
no annual program letter of events.
If the FAA were to just think ahead for a change, they could have easily
included a statement in the Memorandum that says, "To all FAA Inspectors.
This Memorandum, when carried in the aircraft, rescinds the 300/600 mile
proficiency area for all Experimental Exhibition aircraft." If they were to
again think ahead and figure out that an aircraft that has no proficiency
area limitation has really no need to submit an annual program letter of
events since the aircraft can take-off and land at any airport except Class
B airports anyway. Then they would do exactly the same thing for the
Schedule of Events letter.
What ever happened to the "Paperwork Reduction Act"?
Dennis
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
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How about anytime that a request for the change in the OL's is made, we also ask if the Program Letter is STILL a necessity; and if it IS, then what do they want us to include in that letter? Possibly it would become obvious that it should be eliminated. If enough of the locals in the FSDO pointed out the obvious to the Rule Writers; we might get it changed. rb
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote: [quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
I completely agree. It doesn't make sense. But until such time as the
Order is revised to reflect no annual program letter of events, then we
still have to comply. Now think about this..... The FSDO's are having to
amend existing OL's and Airworthiness Certificates to delete the 300/600
mile proficiency area. When the revised Order comes out, guess what! They
are going to have to do it all over again if any of the statements in our
existing OL's are effectively rescinded in the revised Order. That includes
no annual program letter of events.
If the FAA were to just think ahead for a change, they could have easily
included a statement in the Memorandum that says, "To all FAA Inspectors.
This Memorandum, when carried in the aircraft, rescinds the 300/600 mile
proficiency area for all Experimental Exhibition aircraft." If they were to
again think ahead and figure out that an aircraft that has no proficiency
area limitation has really no need to submit an annual program letter of
events since the aircraft can take-off and land at any airport except Class
B airports anyway. Then they would do exactly the same thing for the
Schedule of Events letter.
What ever happened to the "Paperwork Reduction Act"?
Dennis
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Subject: Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
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Why would we need to send an annual letter that we are flying anywhere if
we don't have to report leaving 300/600nm area? Doesn't make sense to
tell them what airshow we are attending (we'll be on the waver) or it is
the same as us flying to any other airport for proficiency.
Dabear
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Answer.....Yes. Don't read anything into the Memorandum. The only
> thing the Memorandum does is facilitate the elimination of the 300/600
> mile proficiency area by amending the aircraft's operating limitations
> and Airworthiness Certificate.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mark Davis
> *To:* yak-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 9:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>
> Does the change remove the need for the required annual letter to
> the supervising FSDO? I've looked and can't find any mention of
> the letter. Do we need to send them an annual reminder that we're
> still operating the A/C in their area?
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
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Good luck on that one.
Dennis
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rogerbyak(at)yahoo.com
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You can be negative about this all you want. I do business with the FAA and find that there are many good people in that organization mixed in with the ordinary component of "ineffective" employees who will not proceed with ordinary and sensible decisions. This is not unlike many other organizations...public and private. But! if someone did not take a positive attitude toward this entire matter than the change in 8130.2f would NEVER have taken place. So thanks for the well wishes....I will try it when I do my request. rb
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote: [quote] Good luck on that one.
Dennis
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Roger, I sent an email to my local FSDO inspector suggesting there may be a way to eliminate this paperwork nightmare (this is what he called it) by having AIR 230 or AIR 200 amend the Memorandum to say something like; "To all FAA inspectors. This Memorandum, when carried in the aircraft, rescinds the 300/600 proficiency area for Experimental Exhibition aircraft. I indicated when the revised Order is issued, he and his fellow inspectors will be faced with doing this all over again if any of the provision in the new Order delete any of the provisions in the existing Operating Limitations. Such as the Annual Schedule of Events or otherwise known as the Annual Program Letter.
We'll see what his response is. Hopefully he will send it upward.
Dennis
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