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601XL - Aileron/Flap Trailing Edge Alignment...?

 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: 601XL - Aileron/Flap Trailing Edge Alignment...? Reply with quote

Are the trailing edges of the Aileron and the Flap aligned with one another when both are in the "neutral" position...?

I'm getting ready to drill the hingeless ailerons on my 601XL, and I've also got my flaps sitting there next to them, just to give it an "eyeball" check.

The measurements seem to check, but it just doesn't look right....

Anybody with a completed wing that can give me a sanity check on the measurement between the trailing edge rivet line on the wing and the leading edge rivet line on the aileron?

Is your entire trailing edge "one smooth line" across the ailerons and flaps...?

Thanks!

Patrick
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: 601XL - Aileron/Flap Trailing Edge Alignment...? Reply with quote

Mine did not line up, not by a long shot. It was so far off (probably 20mm) the hingeless attachment was not possible. I got ZAC to send me wide hinges and and a doubler, and converted to hinged ailerons.

Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
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Are the trailing edges of the Aileron and the Flap aligned with one another when both are in the "neutral" position...?

I'm getting ready to drill the hingeless ailerons on my 601XL, and I've also got my flaps sitting there next to them, just to give it an "eyeball" check.

The measurements seem to check, but it just doesn't look right....

Anybody with a completed wing that can give me a sanity check on the measurement between the trailing edge rivet line on the wing and the leading edge rivet line on the aileron?

Is your entire trailing edge "one smooth line" across the ailerons and flaps...?

Thanks!

Patrick
XL/Corvair


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 601XL - Aileron/Flap Trailing Edge Alignment...? Reply with quote

I made mine like the top view on 6-W-00 considering all other views show the flap and aileron in the neutral position it seemed like the logical choice.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:44 am    Post subject: 601XL - Aileron/Flap Trailing Edge Alignment...? Reply with quote

if you follow the plans specs, they should align well. I am proud to say mine came out trimmed out. aileron and flap align nice. Check the flap stop is 4 to 5mm from trail edge.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: 601XL - Aileron/Flap Trailing Edge Alignment...? Reply with quote

Juan,

Actually, I did follow the plans and specs very carefully. It turns out that the skins were not drilled correctly. See photos. The first one shows the alignment if I were to get the proper edge distance on the aileron skin. The second shows dots where the rivet holes in the aileron skin would have to be if I aligned the trailing edge with the flap. At the tip, I could get the proper overlap, but I suspect that "skewed" the aileron, somewhat. Therefore, I went with the "real" hinges.

Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
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if you follow the plans specs, they should align well. I am proud to say mine came out trimmed out. aileron and flap align nice. Check the flap stop is 4 to 5mm from trail edge.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: 601XL - Aileron/Flap Trailing Edge Alignment...? Reply with quote

Patrick,

Although it is not a good viewpoint, here is a picture of mine. I have about 3-4mm of trailing edge difference when the aileron and flap are lined up. The aileron is the one that is a little short. In order to preserve the aileron rivet line edge distance I left it that way and pressed on.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 601XL - Aileron/Flap Trailing Edge Alignment...? Reply with quote

Thanks everyone.

Initially I'd marked off a line 10mm back from the "leading edge" of the aileron skin that forms the hinge, and set that up as the rivet centerline.

But it just didn't look right...

It occurred to me that maybe there was some "extra" on the top aileron skin, and that maybe I shouldn't be using it as a reference to measure from.

So I went back to the drawings and added up some measurements and came up with a distance of 45mm between the front of the aileron "spar" (not sure what it's really called but I think you know what I mean) and the rear channel of the wing. I set up for that distance, and things looked a lot better.

So I went with that. Looks good.

Patrick
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:25 am    Post subject: 601XL - Aileron/Flap Trailing Edge Alignment...? Reply with quote

i see what you are saying now, can you send me a picture stadning a little farther back so I can see the entire flap and aileron set up?

Juan

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:49 am    Post subject: 601XL - Aileron/Flap Trailing Edge Alignment...? Reply with quote

Juan,

The only other photos I have are closer, since I was trying to show ZAC the problem. Any photos I have of the the whole area show the regular hinge in place.

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i see what you are saying now, can you send me a picture stadning a little farther back so I can see the entire flap and aileron set up?

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