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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

Thanks to all on list and off list that have helped me with the Andair 

Fuel Valve acquisition. I have a valve which I will use.  I would like 

to use a 6" extension if I can get one easily.



If anyone has a Andair Fuel Selector Extension kit you'd like to sell, 

please contact me.



Current status and findings:

After much back and forth and some cancelled orders to Andair, I bought 

a unit from Vans:

Part Number: FUEL VALVE FS 20X7T

Quantity: 1

Unit Price: 205.00



Part Number: F SWIVEL TEE

Quantity: 1

Unit Price: 19.50



The 20X7T seems to me to be the best configuration whether you use or 

extension or not.  Vans said they still had a couple of dozen.  The 

price is right given current exchange rates with a savings of +$100 over 

ordering direct from Andair.  That difference is going to filter thru to 

Van's inventory at some point so I'd go buy one if in the market.  The 

swivel T seems to be the optimal accessory for a fuel injected 540 

installation.



The feeds from the tank are on elbows but the total cross section is 

considerably less than using regular AN elbows threaded into the valve 

body.  I feel I can use this valve pretty easily with or without an 

extension.  I'll post a photo once installed.  Thanks to all the others 

who posted photos - invaluable!

Eric_Kallio

Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Posts: 149
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

I am in the same position as you are with the fuel valve. I am not as educated as some on the valves though, but can an extension be added to the ANDAIR valve Vans sells or does the valve have to be manufactured with it from the beginning. I assume it can be modified after manufacture but want to make sure before I buy the Vans valve and start looking for an extension.



Eric Kallio

MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

According to information on the Andair website, extensions can be added 

to the newer "Type B" valves.  I bought a valve from Vans and confirmed 

that it is a Type B (there is a detailed diagram and explanation on the 

Andair site).  It is exactly the same valve I would have configured if I 

ordered directly from Andair



I've tried to locate an extension but cannot find one.  So tomorrow I'm 

going to order 1 direct from Andair.



I'll end up saving $100 minus shipping the extension  over buying the 

valve and extension from Andair. 



Eric_Kallio wrote:

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 I am in the same position as you are with the fuel valve. I am not as educated as some on the valves though, but can an extension be added to the ANDAIR valve Vans sells or does the valve have to be manufactured with it from the beginning. I assume it can be modified after manufacture but want to make sure before I buy the Vans valve and start looking for an extension.



 Eric Kallio





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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

Eric,



The valve extension is something that can be added later to the valve.

It comes with a different handle/bezel assembly that connects to the

extension.  Shouldn't be any problem at all.  Finding the extensions

in the U.S. might be the hard part.  You'll probably end up

ordering them from Andair unless someone like Neal has them.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Eric_Kallio wrote:

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 I am in the same position as you are with the fuel valve. I am not as

 educated as some on the valves though, but can an extension be added

 to the ANDAIR valve Vans sells or does the valve have to be

 manufactured with it from the beginning. I assume it can be modified

 after manufacture but want to make sure before I buy the Vans valve

 and start looking for an extension.

 

 Eric Kallio

 

 

 

 

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jfrjr(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

I got an extension from Andy for $10.00.  Ordered it at OSH when he was 

there and he mailed it to me in a week or two.  The ten spot included the 

shipping.  Jay Rowe #40301 (baffling)

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kyrilian_av(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

Hello All,



Aerocraftparts sells a L-R-Off valve that's used on the IO-540 powered Lancair Legacy.  It has a 6-inch extension that may be appropriate to the RV-10.  It lists for $365.

   http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=EFS25-2-2B-M



 Cheers,

- Kyrilian

  Lancair Legacy



Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson 



Eric,



The valve extension is something that can be added later to the valve.

It comes with a different handle/bezel assembly that connects to the

extension.  Shouldn't be any problem at all.  Finding the extensions

in the U.S. might be the hard part.  You'll probably end up

ordering them from Andair unless someone like Neal has them.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

That would be nice!  It looks like it's going to cost me $100 list after 

applying the current exchange rate.  BTW, Neal said he didn't have 

anything any longer.  Aircraft Spruce special orders them (with the 

valve only).



Jay Rowe wrote:

[quote]  I got an extension from Andy for $10.00.  Ordered it at OSH when he 

 was there and he mailed it to me in a week or two.  The ten spot 

 included the shipping.  Jay Rowe #40301 (baffling)

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Eric_Kallio

Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Posts: 149
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

I ordered the valve from Vans and went ahead and just ordered the extension from Andair last night. That cost a pretty penny, but I wasn't able to find anyone that sold just the extension here in the states. Now all I need is a floscan and I can plumb my fuel system which is about all that is left before canopy.



Eric Kallio

40518 floors then fuel

MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

Re the Floscan - I've been told that they are setup for specific EISs.  

That is, you get a Flo-scan setup for GRT or for ? or ?.  Stein 

confirmed this and sold one to me for the GRT.  If all that is true, you 

have to make a EIS choice before committing to the Flo-scan.



Seems like we're at the same place.



Eric_Kallio wrote:

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 I ordered the valve from Vans and went ahead and just ordered the extension from Andair last night. That cost a pretty penny, but I wasn't able to find anyone that sold just the extension here in the states. Now all I need is a floscan and I can plumb my fuel system which is about all that is left before canopy.



 Eric Kallio

 40518 floors then fuel





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orchidman

Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 277
Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

 	  MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com wrote: 	
		  Re the Floscan - I've been told that they are setup for specific EISs.  

That is, you get a Flo-scan setup for GRT or for ? or ?.  Stein 

confirmed this and sold one to me for the GRT.  If all that is true, you 

have to make a EIS choice before committing to the Flo-scan.



Seems like we're at the same place.

	


I am going AFS and it is included in their probes and sensors kit.  So I would agree that you need to figure out which EIS you are going with because it may already be included.

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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

When I bought the Chelton system one of the things that I did

was buy the EIS6000 Chelton version, which adds a small

bit of software function to the standard, plus, it came with

all probes and sensors as well.  So yup, good idea to have

your engine monitor picked out.

Now that said, a builder shouldn't be concerned about leaving

the fuel flow sensor for later, either.  Doesn't matter

if you install it in the tunnel or on the engine, it won't

be nearly as tough as some items to install.  So just cap the

lines, and wait until you pick your avionics, and install

it when you get the rest. You don't want to make hasty

avionics choices just because you want a flow sensor.

I ended up buying a spare, so I installed one and had one

that came with my system.  Many of the EIS's use the same

FloScan anyway.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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orchidman wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com wrote:

> Re the Floscan - I've been told that they are setup for specific EISs.  

> That is, you get a Flo-scan setup for GRT or for ? or ?.  Stein 

> confirmed this and sold one to me for the GRT.  If all that is true, you 

> have to make a EIS choice before committing to the Flo-scan.

>

> Seems like we're at the same place.

>

 I am going AFS and it is included in their probes and sensors kit.  So I would agree that you need to figure out which EIS you are going with because it may already be included.

 --------

 Gary Blankenbiller

 RV10 - # 40674

 Fuselage SB

 (N410GB reserved)

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orchidman

Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 277
Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

Another comment, there are 2 different bolt/nut plate patterns on the mounting bracket.  I was lucky in that the AFS flowscan takes the alternate mounting pattern and I had just received it when I was at that point in Section 28.

So if you don't know which you will be using, you might want to leave the bracket off and then rivet it on when you know what you are going to do for sure.

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RV10 - # 40674
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greytex

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 28

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Back to the Andair valve. I ordered the pricey extension kit from them 2  months ago and have never received it. we are in the email back and forth stage  now. I asked them to track it for me with no luck so far. just sent off a new  request this am. will keep list informed of the drama as it unfolds.

  

 John Cram

 40569- Nick is going to final mount the top this week. (I am out of town  working) 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

They aren't the quickest responding company, that's for sure.

I actually phoned them a few times as well, using an AT&T

calling card.  I figured it was worth poking them a bit.

They did come through in the end.  I get the feeling that

they're highly reliant on a few specific individuals.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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John Cram wrote:

[quote] Back to the Andair valve. I ordered the pricey extension kit from them 2 

 months ago and have never received it. we are in the email back and 

 forth stage now. I asked them to track it for me with no luck so far. 

 just sent off a new request this am. will keep list informed of the 

 drama as it unfolds.

  

 John Cram

 40569- Nick is going to final mount the top this week. (I am out of town 

 working) 

 

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Eric_Kallio

Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Posts: 149
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

I am going withe the new GRT HX and have been on their website looking at their floscan (fuel flow package). Just haven't placed the order yet though. I figured that I had time since Andair typically takes a good while to ship.



Eric Kallio

greytex

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 28

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  I just received an email from Owen at Andair. They are resending me my  order, this time by UPS. All is good.

  

 John Cram 

 40569

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