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bradfnp(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that are 

oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit. The holes are inaccessible to 

put any type of backing plate in so my only(?) option is an oversized rivet?

Can anyone help?



-Brad Cohen

XL-TD working on wings

Tim Juhl

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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: A6, A7 Rivets?

Where are the oversize holes located?



Tim

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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

please remember that as the hole/rivet size goes up so does the edge distance requirement...

 

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 Harleysville (SE) PA

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PatrickW

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Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: A6, A7 Rivets?

I just bought some A6's from Aircraft Spruce.  Got them the other day.  Good quality.



Look here for info about A6's: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=33918



I don't know about A7's.



Patrick

XL/Corvair

jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that are 

oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit. The holes are inaccessible to 

put any type of backing plate in so my only(?) option is an oversized rivet?

Can anyone help?



A6 rivets certainly exist.  A few came with my HD kit.  ZAC sells them too.

In an old note from Nick that I re-read recently looking for the HD VDO

sender instructions (which I eventually found by the way) Nick indicated

that A5 rivets commonly are used when the holes for A4 rivets are elongated

or drilled oversize, but that A6 rivets are rarely used when a hole for an

A5 is oversize.  The question then becomes "Should you use a bolt?"  



Jeff Davidson

CH601 HD/Jabiru 3300/working on fuel system ...

bradfnp(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

Tim,

Leading edge nose rib #4, bottom skin holes #6 & 7 measured frmo the spar. I 

used A5's throughout for additional strength, but now have elongated these 

two holes



-Brad

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		  From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net>

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To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: A6, A7 Rivets?

Date: Sat,  3 Nov 2007 15:24:40 -0700






Where are the oversize holes located?



Tim



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professor71(at)HOTMAIL.CO
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

Have you considered using another type of rivet other than Avex? Perhaps you could find a cherry max rivet to fit. If you can not get a backing plate on a rivet how can you get a nut on the bolt or were you were thinking of a rivnut?



Regards

John



[quote] From: jeffrey_davidson(at)earthlink.net

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A6, A7 Rivets?

 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:31:46 -0400

 

 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson(at)earthlink.net>

 

 

 Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that are 

 oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit. The holes are inaccessible to 

 put any type of backing plate in so my only(?) option is an oversized rivet?

 Can anyone help?

 

 A6 rivets certainly exist.  A few came with my HD kit.  ZAC sells them too.

 In an old note from Nick that I re-read recently looking for the HD VDO

 sender instructions (which I eventually found by the way) Nick indicated

 that A5 rivets commonly are used when the holes for A4 rivets are elongated

 or drilled oversize, but that A6 rivets are rarely used when a hole for an

 A5 is oversize.  The question then becomes "Should you use a bolt?"  

 

 Jeff Davidson

 CH601 HD/Jabiru 3300/working on fuel system ... ========================Climb to the top of the charts!  Play Star Shuffle:  the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now!  [quote][b]

bradfnp(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

John

I agree, someone on the list had suggested a nut but there is no access 

(bottom of nose rib #4) I thought about a cherrymax but wanted the lists' 

opinion first. I think I will order a few A6's and a few cherrymax to see 

which fits best. can you seat a cherrymax rivet with the same rivet puller 

that we are using for the A4 and A5's??



-Brad

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		  From: john H <professor71(at)HOTMAIL.COM>

Reply-To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

To: <zenith-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: A6, A7 Rivets?

Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:02:48 -0500



Have you considered using another type of rivet other than Avex? Perhaps 

you could find a cherry max rivet to fit. If you can not get a backing 

plate on a rivet how can you get a nut on the bolt or were you were 

thinking of a rivnut?



Regards

John



 > From: jeffrey_davidson(at)earthlink.net

 > To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: RE: A6, A7 Rivets?

 > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:31:46 -0400

 >

 > 

<jeffrey_davidson(at)earthlink.net>

 >

 >

 > Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that 

are

 > oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit. The holes are inaccessible 

to

 > put any type of backing plate in so my only(?) option is an oversized 

rivet?

 > Can anyone help?

 >

 > A6 rivets certainly exist.  A few came with my HD kit.  ZAC sells them 

too.

 > In an old note from Nick that I re-read recently looking for the HD VDO

 > sender instructions (which I eventually found by the way) Nick indicated

 > that A5 rivets commonly are used when the holes for A4 rivets are 

elongated

 > or drilled oversize, but that A6 rivets are rarely used when a hole for 

an

 > A5 is oversize.  The question then becomes "Should you use a bolt?"

 >

 > Jeff Davidson

 > CH601 HD/Jabiru 3300/working on fuel system ...

 >

 >

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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

HI JEFF

  

 THAT IS WHAT I HAVE TO DO ON ONE MOUNT FOR A ELECTRIC TERMINAL BLOCK.  WHEN I RIVETED IT IT BROKE THE BLOCK, SO I'M JUST GOING TO USE A WASHER HEAD SCREW AND NUT.  IT IS FAIRLY ACCESSABLE ON THE FIREWALL THOUGH.

  

 GLENN



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		    From: professor71(at)HOTMAIL.COM

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: A6, A7 Rivets?

Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:02:48 -0500



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Have you considered using another type of rivet other than Avex? Perhaps you could find a cherry max rivet to fit. If you can not get a backing plate on a rivet how can you get a nut on the bolt or were you were thinking of a rivnut?



Regards

John



 	  Quote: 	
		   From: jeffrey_davidson(at)earthlink.net

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A6, A7 Rivets?

 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:31:46 -0400

 

 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson(at)earthlink.net>

 

 

 Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that are 

 oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit. The holes are inaccessible to 

 put any type of backing plate in so my only(?) option is an oversized rivet?

 Can anyone help?

 

 A6 rivets certainly exist. A few came with my HD kit. ZAC sells them too.

 In an old note from Nick that I re-read recently looking for the HD VDO

 sender instructions (which I eventually found by the way) Nick indicated

 that A5 rivets commonly are used when the holes for A4 rivets are elongated

 or drilled oversize, but that A6 rivets are rarely used when a hole for an

 A5 is oversize. The question then becomes "Should you use a bolt?" 

 

 Jeff Davidson

 CH601 HD/Jabiru 3300/working on fuel system ... ========================


	


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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:27 am Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

If you have access to buck a solid  rivet its diameter will expand more than a pulled rivet and may fill the  hole.   Try a sample by drilling a test piece to your oversize, buck  one 

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professor71(at)HOTMAIL.CO
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:19 am Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

Brad



Yes you can...



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		  >can you seat a cherrymax rivet with the same rivet puller >that we are using for the A4 and A5's?? -Brad 	




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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

Why would you use the head that reforms the head (as with A-4 and  A-5) when the CherryMax has a flat head and is not made from alum. The  CherryMax head will not be reformed. Use a flat head.  Jerry of  Ga



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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

I probably didn't get the problem straight in my  head but couldn't you buck a solid rivet there before closing the top  of the nose skin (or is the nose skin already closed?)? In any case, a few  "other" rivets are not likely to be the end of civilization as we know it. As  long as they are aluminum rivets, no problems. If you use steel, you'll want to  dip them in primer when setting them (galvanic corrosion protection). If it is a  dome head rivet, just pull it with a flat nosepiece as if you were flush setting  an A4 or A5 rivet.

  

 Dred

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wjones(at)brazoriainet.co
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

Did you consider putting an A5 rivet next to the  enlarged hole and using a flller in the enlarged hole.

 Wade Jones    South Texas 

601XL plans building

Cont.  0200

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bradfnp(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:58 am Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

To All,

I had to drill out rivets in the nose skin and nose ribs to replace a (ahem) 

damaged spar cap...(don't ask) and that's how the holes got misshapen. I 

dont have internal access to use a nut and bolt or to buck a solid rivet 

because the leading edge is closed, save for these few rivets.



I will order cherry max rivets and A6's in various sizes to get the best fit 

then use my standard rivet puller to seat them. (looks like Aircraft Spruce 

has a decent selection) Thanks for the heads up about cortec-ing the 

individual rivets.



-Brad Cohen



 	  Quote: 	
		  From: john H <professor71(at)HOTMAIL.COM>

Reply-To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

To: <zenith-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: A6, A7 Rivets?

Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:02:48 -0500



Have you considered using another type of rivet other than Avex? Perhaps 

you could find a cherry max rivet to fit. If you can not get a backing 

plate on a rivet how can you get a nut on the bolt or were you were 

thinking of a rivnut?



Regards

John



 > From: jeffrey_davidson(at)earthlink.net

 > To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: RE: A6, A7 Rivets?

 > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:31:46 -0400

 >

 > 

<jeffrey_davidson(at)earthlink.net>

 >

 >

 > Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that 

are

 > oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit. The holes are inaccessible 

to

 > put any type of backing plate in so my only(?) option is an oversized 

rivet?

 > Can anyone help?

 >

 > A6 rivets certainly exist.  A few came with my HD kit.  ZAC sells them 

too.

 > In an old note from Nick that I re-read recently looking for the HD VDO

 > sender instructions (which I eventually found by the way) Nick indicated

 > that A5 rivets commonly are used when the holes for A4 rivets are 

elongated

 > or drilled oversize, but that A6 rivets are rarely used when a hole for 

an

 > A5 is oversize.  The question then becomes "Should you use a bolt?"

 >

 > Jeff Davidson

 > CH601 HD/Jabiru 3300/working on fuel system ...

 >

 >

============

============

============

============

 >

 >

 >



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dekano

Joined: 06 Nov 2007
Posts: 2

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: Re: A6, A7 Rivets?

Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that are 

oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit.

Dekano

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

There are A6 types, but never have heard about A7s.



Larry McFarland  601HDS at www.macsmachine.com

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dekano wrote:

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 Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that are 

 oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit.

 Dekano

tomtafcor(at)triton.net
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

Zenith has A6's.

grs-pms(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: A6, A7 Rivets?

A6s certainly do.  A few were included in my 601HD kit.



George



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