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n616tb(at)btsapps.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

[quote]Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? ThanksTim[b]

dougpflyrv(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

NO!!!

 

   

 

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Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Not if your operating  limitations are like everyone else's.

  

 But you could do a  compression check as warm as you can get it, along with the rest of the  condition inspection, then sign it off and fly it assuming the compression check  was OK.  Then change the oil after the inspection.

  

 I wouldn't think the FAA would be thrilled to find out  it was out of annual if anything happened, but your insurance company would be  overjoyed...

  

  Dave Saylor

 AirCrafters LLC

 140 Aviation Way

 Watsonville, CA 

 831-722-9141

 831-750-0284 CL

 www.AirCraftersLLC.com



 



   From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim  Bryan

Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:50 PM

To:  rv-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Question for A&P Types (or  anyone)

 

  [quote]Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? ThanksTim



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d-burton(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Hi Tim,  

   

I believe you need a ferry permit to fly it legally.  Check with the local FSDO to see what they have to say about this.  It shouldn’t be a  big deal…  

   

Dave  

RV6  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dougpflyrv(at)aol.com

 Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:12 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)  

  

     

   

    

NO!!!  

    

   

  

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		  Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? ThanksTim







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dale1rv6(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Your biggest risk is insurance will not cover it during that time.  

Dale  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan

 Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:50 PM

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		  I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? 	
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		  I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? 	
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		  I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? 	
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		  I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? 	
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		  I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? 	
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		  I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? 	
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		  I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? 	
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c.ennis(at)insightbb.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

No, for all intents and purposes your aircraft is  illegal to fly, just as you are when your medical  expires.

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Tim, I can't reply to the legalities.  But, I'll be the devils advocate and pose the question:  Who (other than yourself and the rest of the list   ) would know or find out if you flew your airplane out of 'conditional inspection'???  AFAIK, nobody will question your 'conditional inspection' unless you really mess up and substantially damage the airplane and have to report the incident.

 

 I make a 'conditional inspection' every time I get in my homebuilt.  I just don't log it.  Once a year (or thereabouts) I do a 'more thorough' conditional inspection, which I log.

 Linn

 do not archive

 

 Tim Bryan wrote:

 [quote]                       	  Quote: 	
		  Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? ThanksTim

	
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Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Sure, you  just can't fly it until you finish and sign off the condition  inspection.

  

  

  

Bruce 

www.Glasair.org 

 

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lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

A ferry permit is not a big deal. An A&P will make a long entry, CALL your insurance Co to let them know.   I flew from TN to TX on a ferry permit, when a grumman expert just did not show up for over a month to do the annual and could not set a date.  A local guy signed it for $20, as he was at the airport anyway.

   

   

  

Tim Bryan <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> wrote:

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 /> I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current?

mr.gsun+rv-list(at)gmail.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have to do to get a certificate to do his own condition inspection?



On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray <Bruce(at)glasair.org  (Bruce(at)glasair.org)> wrote:

[quote]         Sure, you  just can't fly it until you finish and sign off the condition  inspection.

  

  

  

Bruce 

www.Glasair.org 

 

 [quote]   

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lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

True... this happens all the time, no big deal.



Darrell

--- Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   A ferry permit is not a big deal. An A&P will make a

 long entry, CALL your insurance Co to let them know.

   I flew from TN to TX on a ferry permit, when a

 grumman expert just did not show up for over a month

 to do the annual and could not set a date.  A local

 guy signed it for $20, as he was at the airport

 anyway.

    

    

   

 Tim Bryan <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> wrote:

                 

 Hi all,

 

  

 

 I am planning to start my first condition inspection

 on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month

 in October, but travel got in my way of completing

 it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good

 before draining it and also doing the compression

 check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up

 good last time I tried to just take it out and run

 it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the

 oil up as a test flight even though it is not

 current?

 

  

 

 Thanks

 

 Tim

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Sherman Butler

 RV-7a Wings

 Idaho Falls

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shempdowling2(at)earthlin
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

I think he would have to get his a and p.



Shemp

do not archive

Greg Williams wrote:

[quote] Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have to do to get a 

 certificate to do his own condition inspection?



 On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray <Bruce(at)glasair.org 

 <mailto:Bruce(at)glasair.org>> wrote:



     Sure, you just can't fly it until you finish and sign off the

     condition inspection.

      

      



     Bruce



     www.Glasair.org <http://www.glasair.org/>



      



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acepilot(at)bloomer.net
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Build your own airplane and apply for the repairman's certificate. 

That's about all there is to it.



Scott

http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/

Gotta Fly or Gonna Die

Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)



Greg Williams wrote:



[quote] Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have to do to get a 

 certificate to do his own condition inspection?



 On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray <Bruce(at)glasair.org 

 <mailto:Bruce(at)glasair.org>> wrote:



     Sure, you just can't fly it until you finish and sign off the

     condition inspection.

      

      



     Bruce



     www.Glasair.org <http://www.glasair.org/>



      



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Bruce(at)glasair.org
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Repairman's certificates are specific and only apply to one "N" numbered

airplane.



Bruce

www.Glasair.org

 

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lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

If I'm not mistaken, Tim is a builder...?



Darrell

--- Greg Williams <mr.gsun+rv-list(at)gmail.com> wrote:



[quote] Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have

 to do to get a

 certificate to do his own condition inspection?

 

 On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray

 <Bruce(at)glasair.org> wrote:

 

 >  Sure, you just can't fly it until you finish and

 sign off the condition

 > inspection.

 >

 >

 >

 > Bruce

 >

 > www.Glasair.org <http://www.glasair.org/>

 >

 >

 >

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mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

NO!  You would be violating your Operating Limitations.  Sorry!!!

  

 Mike Robertosn

 Das Fed





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		  Hi all, I am planning to start my first condition inspection on my -6 today.  It was due by the end of the month in October, but travel got in my way of completing it.  I would like to get the oil warmed up good before draining it and also doing the compression check.  It seems I didn’t really get it warmed up good last time I tried to just take it out and run it up.  Am I allowed to do a solo flight to warm the oil up as a test flight even though it is not current? ThanksTim



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Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Unless you hold the specific "N" numbered repairmans certificate for that

particular airplane, it must be signed off by an A&P. In other words, if you

hold a repairmans cert for your RV-6, you can sign off your condition

inspection but not sign off your buddies RV-6.



Bruce

www.Glasair.org

 

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Greg Williams wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have to do to get a certificate to do his own condition inspection? 	
 Go to A&P school.

 Linn

 do not archive

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   On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray <Bruce(at)glasair.org    (Bruce(at)glasair.org)> wrote:

   [quote]          Sure, you just can't fly it until you finish and sign off the condition inspection.

      

      

          

Bruce     

www.Glasair.org     

      

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n616tb(at)btsapps.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Thanks to everyone who replied on this subject.  I was able to get the oil

warm enough when I did a run-up and a high speed taxi.  The oil is drained

and the compression checked.  They were great numbers 78,78,80,79 all over

80 and while warm.  I will be completing the condition inspection today

hopefully and off to legal flying again.



Yes Darrell I did build it but there were replies to Greg about a non

builder question.



Thanks all

Tim

Do Not Archive



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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: Question for A&P Types (or anyone)

Or go to school and get your A&P license. Takes about same or less time 

than building a plane.

Kelly

A&P/IA

Scott wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Build your own airplane and apply for the repairman's certificate. 

 That's about all there is to it.

 Scott

 http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/

 Gotta Fly or Gonna Die

 Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

 Greg Williams wrote:

> Along a similar line, what does a non-builder have to do to get a 

> certificate to do his own condition inspection?

>

> On Nov 8, 2007 3:07 PM, Bruce Gray <Bruce(at)glasair.org 

> <mailto:Bruce(at)glasair.org>> wrote:

>

_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

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