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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: Caution...error in story

Ah ha!!  While rereading my last post, I noticed an error in my description of the airspace I was trying to avoid.  I accidently referred to it as a MOA.  Oops!  You know you don't have to fly around MOA's.  It was Restricted Airspace (north of the Mojave airport).



BTW.  I am enjoying this friendly argument between John & Rick.  The problem is, though, I still don't know whether I should have a BRS or not.   I'm listening intently to BOTH arguments.  Please proceed, I AM interested.

                                Mike W.

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John Hauck

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Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: Caution...error in story

| BTW.  I am enjoying this friendly argument between John & Rick. 

The problem is, though, I still don't know whether I should have a BRS 

or not.   I'm listening intently to BOTH arguments.  Please proceed, I 

AM interested.

|                                Mike W.



Mike:



I really have nothing to add.



I was saved twice by a $500.00 hand deployed Jim Handbury parachute. 

That is $250.00 a whack.  Got my money's worth out of it and it has 

been retired since March 1990.Dennis Souder was saved by a Jim 

Handbury hand deployed parachute.  In these three cases, had we not 

had them and used them, we would not have survived.



I could care less about numbers, studies, and all the rest of that 

horse manure.  Fact is, when you need, hope you have it.



I have flown this mkIII for more than 2,700 hours without nary a hint 

of needing a parachute.  Hope I can fly another 2,700 hours and still 

not need it.



john h

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John Hauck
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hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: Caution...error in story

Just to make the argument completely contradictory. I, too, have been

saved by a reserve parachute. I would not fly my hang glider without

it. I am a thermal flyer and have had to deal with 3000 fpm + shears

transiting thermal boundaries in a weight shift control flying wing.

Knowing it's there on my chest lets me enjoy the roller coaster ride.

I am trained to use my reserve, I've had a deployment and lived to

pester John.  I BELIEVE I am safer having the 'chute.

My advice to anyone about BRS or any other reserve system is this: If

it gives you piece of mind while flying, get one. Install it properly,

have your installation blessed by the good folks at BRS, do all your

maintenance and preflights, and fly like you don't have it. Since

training isn't available, take the time to think through possible

deployment situations and evaluate the effectiveness of those

procedures until you're satisfied that it will produce the results you

want.

Another anecdote and I'll stop. Years ago, there was a report in

Soaring Magazine about a death resulting from a bail out following a

mid air. The unfortunate pilot always flew with a parachute. Each time

he landed, he undid his harness, undid his parachute harness and got

out of his sailplane. When he had the mid air, he did exactly as he'd

trained himself. He unbuckled his harness, unbuckled his parachute and

went over the side. He had two thousand feet to reflect on the

effectiveness of his training.



Rick

On Nov 11, 2007 11:37 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

  | BTW.  I am enjoying this friendly argument between John & Rick.

 The problem is, though, I still don't know whether I should have a BRS

 or not.   I'm listening intently to BOTH arguments.  Please proceed, I

 AM interested.

 |                                Mike W.



 Mike:



 I really have nothing to add.



 I was saved twice by a $500.00 hand deployed Jim Handbury parachute.

 That is $250.00 a whack.  Got my money's worth out of it and it has

 been retired since March 1990.Dennis Souder was saved by a Jim

 Handbury hand deployed parachute.  In these three cases, had we not

 had them and used them, we would not have survived.



 I could care less about numbers, studies, and all the rest of that

 horse manure.  Fact is, when you need, hope you have it.



 I have flown this mkIII for more than 2,700 hours without nary a hint

 of needing a parachute.  Hope I can fly another 2,700 hours and still

 not need it.



 john h

 mkIII

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d-m-hague(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: Caution...error in story

At 12:37 AM 11/12/2007, John Hauck wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  I was saved twice by a $500.00 hand deployed Jim Handbury parachute...


	


Are hand deployed chutes still available?  I know they are for hang gliders 

and paragliders, but for larger planes?  At $500 vs. $2500 or more I think 

there'd be a lot less resistance to the idea, even though the more 

expensive rocket deployed chute is probably more reliable.



                                 -Dana



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of doing me good I would run for my life." - Thoreau

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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: Caution...error in story

Call Betty Pfeiffer at High Energy Sports. To bring down 450 to 500

lbs at a reasonable descent rate your going to need a chute bigger

than one for a paraglider or hang glider. I went from 6' 2" to 6' 1"

by having too small a chute. 



Rick



On Nov 12, 2007 6:28 AM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 At 12:37 AM 11/12/2007, John Hauck wrote:



 >I was saved twice by a $500.00 hand deployed Jim Handbury parachute...



 Are hand deployed chutes still available?  I know they are for hang gliders

 and paragliders, but for larger planes?  At $500 vs. $2500 or more I think

 there'd be a lot less resistance to the idea, even though the more

 expensive rocket deployed chute is probably more reliable.



                                  -Dana



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 of doing me good I would run for my life." - Thoreau

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