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shinden33

Joined: 02 Nov 2007
Posts: 39

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

All,



I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA

(L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10).  Planned Departure is on 26 November

hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following weekend.  My current

proposed course is taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then

turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA.  If

anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no extra fuel)

I'm all ears.  If you see a desert camo -52 in your neighborhood the week

after Thanksgiving stop over and say hi!



Scott

cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

Scott,

  

 Two good free internet web sites to use are  Skyvectors.com and  Airnav.com 

 Airnav is good for route planning.  Very easy to use just make sure  you ask it use only the airports it has received fuel reports with-in the last  30 days.  A lot of airports these days are reporting their fuel prices to  Airnav on a regular bases.  It will give up to 10 routes than you can take  you pick.

  

 Skyvectors is great for en-route.  Before takeoff you can check  weather, bearing and distance, that is presented over a sectional chart  display.  Simples are presented over weather reporting station and the  detailed report with a forecast at some station, will show up when you run the  cursor over them.

  

 One that requires a subscription ($25./yr) that is very good for detailed  planning (best altitudes for wind, weather, icing, etc ) is  weathermiester.com.  Might be over kill for the Yak but it is an excellent  preflight planner.  

  

 I use all the above regularly- even for short little flights  (skyvectors).

  

 Get your self a good seat cushion between you and the chute.  Take  water and a candy bar and stop and smell the roses now and than.  Don't  push it!  

  

 You're going to have a ball!

  

 Jim "Pappy" Goolsby

  

  

  In a message dated 11/14/2007 1:02:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  shinden33(at)earthlink.net writes:

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All,



I am (finally) planning on    flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA

(L00) to Collegeville, PA    (N10).  Planned Departure is on 26 November

hopefully arriving in PA    sometime the following weekend.  My current

proposed course is taking    the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then

turning north towards    Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA.  If

anyone has any    pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no extra fuel)

I'm all    ears.  If you see a desert camo -52 in your neighborhood the    week

after Thanksgiving stop over and say  sp;             (And Get Some AWESOME FREE   find  you for                          -Matt Dralle,    List  es  y       -->                 - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS  ======================



	




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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:38 am Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

PS.  Make sure you GPS data base is up to date and take two.

  

  In a message dated 11/14/2007 5:32:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  cjpilot710(at)aol.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		     Scott,

    

   Two good free internet web sites to use are  Skyvectors.com and    Airnav.com 

   Airnav is good for route planning.  Very easy to use just make sure    you ask it use only the airports it has received fuel reports with-in the last    30 days.  A lot of airports these days are reporting their fuel prices to    Airnav on a regular bases.  It will give up to 10 routes than you can    take you pick.

    

   Skyvectors is great for en-route.  Before takeoff you can check    weather, bearing and distance, that is presented over a sectional chart    display.  Simples are presented over weather reporting station and    the detailed report with a forecast at some station, will show up when you run    the cursor over them.

    

   One that requires a subscription ($25./yr) that is very good for detailed    planning (best altitudes for wind, weather, icing, etc ) is    weathermiester.com.  Might be over kill for the Yak but it is an    excellent preflight planner.  

    

   I use all the above regularly- even for short little flights    (skyvectors).

    

   Get your self a good seat cushion between you and the chute.  Take    water and a candy bar and stop and smell the roses now and than.  Don't    push it!  

    

   You're going to have a ball!

    

   Jim "Pappy" Goolsby

    

    

      In a message dated 11/14/2007 1:02:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,    shinden33(at)earthlink.net writes:

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All,



I am (finally) planning      on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA

(L00) to Collegeville,      PA (N10).  Planned Departure is on 26 November

hopefully arriving in      PA sometime the following weekend.  My current

proposed course is      taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then

turning north      towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA.  If

anyone      has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no extra fuel)

I'm      all ears.  If you see a desert camo -52 in your neighborhood the      week

after Thanksgiving stop over and say sp;               (And Get Some AWESOME FREE find you for                          -Matt Dralle, List es y        -->              - MATRONICS      WEB FORUMS    ======================



	




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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

Scott,

When you get settled in PA, contact me off list and if you're interested, we 

can discuss the new fuel bladders for the 52.

Dennis



A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-2141

334-546-8182 (cell)

Skype: yakworld1

www.yak-52.com



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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

For those that have not viewed this site, here is a excellent weather site. 

http://www.usairnet.com/weather/

Dennis



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steve.fox(at)mac.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

As some one else with a short tank YAK, by the time Scott gets to PA he going to wish he talked to you long before he left 



Scott, welcome to the East Coast. I will get Rob Mortara to add you to the NE Raiders list so you know what's going on in the neighborhood.



Fly safe and avoid I-got-to-get- there-itis. 



All the best,



 POTUS



 



On Nov 14, 2007, at 7:44 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:

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Scott, 

When you get settled in PA, contact me off list and if you're interested, we can discuss the new fuel bladders for the 52. [b]

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

Plan 150 nm legs and find fellow YAK owners along that route. That is incase

you do something like leave your air on or can't get her started and expend

you air. Do you have an adapter for your air system? Do you have the

Schrader conversion? If so and you have the stage one scuba yoke you can

make a adapter to service your air system. 

Oil obviously is the other issue at 1 liter per hour. Not all FBO's are

going to carry 100 wt oil if you use Aeroshell or Phillips. Not sure what

you use. 

Survival gear would be another thought. A SARSat ELT would be a definite for

me, flares, and thermal blanket that could be struck easily in a vest. Do

not know if you plan to fly with a Chute or not. 

Others that have taken the Mountain routes can tell you about that. I have

not done that.

The rest, have fun. Your but and knees are definitely going to tell you just

sent on a ~1500nm XC.



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david(at)mcgirt.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

If you need a Scott bottle to Scuba adapter "just in case" to borrow, let me

know, would be glad to lend it for your trip.



David McGirt

YK 52 TW





On 11/14/07 9:25 AM, "Roger  Kemp" <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 Plan 150 nm legs and find fellow YAK owners along that route. That is incase

 you do something like leave your air on or can't get her started and expend

 you air. Do you have an adapter for your air system? Do you have the

 Schrader conversion? If so and you have the stage one scuba yoke you can

 make a adapter to service your air system.

 Oil obviously is the other issue at 1 liter per hour. Not all FBO's are

 going to carry 100 wt oil if you use Aeroshell or Phillips. Not sure what

 you use. 

 Survival gear would be another thought. A SARSat ELT would be a definite for

 me, flares, and thermal blanket that could be struck easily in a vest. Do

 not know if you plan to fly with a Chute or not.

 Others that have taken the Mountain routes can tell you about that. I have

 not done that.

 The rest, have fun. Your but and knees are definitely going to tell you just

 sent on a ~1500nm XC.

 

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ReadeG(at)Cairnwood.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

Scott:



Are you relocating to PA?  We're based at KDYL - Doylestown, PA.  Give

me a call when your local.



As for CC - we've done the trip three times in the Yak (also stock

configuration) using 70% and 232 kph it took 15 fuel stops.  Using ~60%

it was 13 fuel stops.  At 70% I planned 167 nm legs and rode the tail

wind using the GPS to gauge which airport to stop at.  There are

sections where you'll have to short hop simply because there aren't

enough airports.  Call ahead to check fuel.  We made one stop where they

were out of fuel - that's not good news in a stock Yak to say the least.

You really appreciate winds aloft after the 4th stop or so!



I've only done the Route 80 in the Yak.  I did ferry a Wilga from CA to

PA using the southern route - Apple Valley, Tuscon, Las Crusas, to Rt.

40, etc.  Flying up through White Sands was quite something - we were in

the VFR corridor and saw a missile launch!  That was a SLOW trip.  



Reade Genzlinger

Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation

mailto:readeg(at)cairnwood.com

215.914.0370



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

I went west on 40 in Mary Alexanders Yak-50, and the airports I remember

going into were: 



Shamrock Tx (A REAL lonely place)

Tucumcari NM (really friendly folks)

Double Eagle NM (LONG runway, pretty busy)

Gallup NM (Spent the night.  Lots of Indians!)

Winslow Az (Where this girl in a pickup truck slowed down to take a look

at me)

Flagstaff Az (Just couldn't quite handle another leg without stopping

here.)

Kingman Az (Lots of dead airlines, lots of T-28's, lots of wind)

29 Palms Ca (No one there, buy fuel, take what you want, honor system...

Amazing)

Ramona Ca  (Say hello to Vladimir Yastremski, Russian Master Mechanic)  



Carried a really nifty small scuba bottle that was just enough for about

one emergency start.  

Concur with the SARSAT.  I also carried a .45 with about 100 rounds, and

a hand held VHF radio and TWO hand held GPS's.  



Mark Bitterlich





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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

I was not going to say anything about my 9mm with hollow points and two 14

shot clips! Concur with the handheld VHF (I carry a PRC 90 in my vest

pocket) along with all the other survival stuff. Flares (day and night),

whistle, signal mirror, magnesium striker fire starter, thermal blanket(that

is the bulky part) tucked in the back pouch, flashlight, water in aluminum

pouches, Iodine tablets, Ziploc plastic bags, fishing line with some hooks,

extra AA batteries, and hi protein energy bars. That is the contents of my

survival vest. Thought about an MRE but that really would be bulky.

 Most of this stuff can be found at West Marine. The vest was an old one I

got from a Army Navy store. I had the inside line on the sale of some of our

old vests that were sold as surplus after we converted to a modular survival

vest. 

The GPS handheld and or panel mounted is a given. Well maybe not but....

Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a fight

that has anything less than a 4 in it. Those hollow points can do some

serious damage judging from a couple deer that were shot with them along

with one cotton mouth! I am currently looking for the "the Judge". A .410 6

shooter. It also will fire .45 rounds. The manufacturer has a 4 mo back log

of orders. That is a serious home protection weapon. Blows a 12 in diameter

hole in the target at 25 yards. Just an aside on my dream handgun.  

Doc 



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jack

Joined: 01 Nov 2007
Posts: 10

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

 	  Quote: 	
		  >..............a pickup truck <<


	


... flatbed ford, was it?



--- "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14

64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:



[quote] 

 CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"

 <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>

 

 I went west on 40 in Mary Alexanders Yak-50, and the

 airports I remember

 going into were: 

 

 Shamrock Tx (A REAL lonely place)

 Tucumcari NM (really friendly folks)

 Double Eagle NM (LONG runway, pretty busy)

 Gallup NM (Spent the night.  Lots of Indians!)

 Winslow Az (Where this girl in a pickup truck slowed

 down to take a look

 at me)

 Flagstaff Az (Just couldn't quite handle another leg

 without stopping

 here.)

 Kingman Az (Lots of dead airlines, lots of T-28's,

 lots of wind)

 29 Palms Ca (No one there, buy fuel, take what you

 want, honor system...

 Amazing)

 Ramona Ca  (Say hello to Vladimir Yastremski,

 Russian Master Mechanic)  

 

 Carried a really nifty small scuba bottle that was

 just enough for about

 one emergency start.  

 Concur with the SARSAT.  I also carried a .45 with

 about 100 rounds, and

 a hand held VHF radio and TWO hand held GPS's.  

 

 Mark Bitterlich

 

 

 

 

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shinden33

Joined: 02 Nov 2007
Posts: 39

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

WOW!  Thanks for all the gouge and invites guys & gals.



The websites will come in handy.  I'm definitely going to take the southern

route - probably I40ish at least into TX.



I have a panel mount GPS but am planning on bringing a handheld as a backup.

I'm old fashioned and am taking paper charts as well.



Sorry folks, think I'm going to pass on the weaponry.  If I get into that

kind of situation I've got bigger problems. 



Water = Camelback. Camelbacks fit nicely behind the left shoulder so you can

even get to the H20 hose (and in some cases the pockets) in flight.  They

will also hold a nice amount of energy bars, etc.



I'm looking at getting a pony SCUBA bottle for the trip.  Anyone know where

I can get a 1st stage regulator cheap???  I have a adapter for my air system

but it doesn't have the Schrader valve.  It just has an AN fitting.



The plan right now is ~130Nm legs to start and see how things go from there.

Day 1 (partial day) will be from L00 to Big Bear, to Parker AZ finally to

Deer Valley. 



Flying with chutes and lots of memory foam.



See ya'll out there.

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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to  

 a fight

 that has anything less than a 4 in it.


	


I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP  

for as long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.



But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W  

round the FBI favors.



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Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

On Nov 14, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Shinden33 wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 WOW!  Thanks for all the gouge and invites guys & gals.



 The websites will come in handy.  I'm definitely going to take the  

 southern

 route - probably I40ish at least into TX.



 I have a panel mount GPS but am planning on bringing a handheld as  

 a backup.

 I'm old fashioned and am taking paper charts as well.


	


I still fly with a paper chart in my lap. I am just too uncomfortable  

any other way, even with all the electronics and moving map displays.  

I have had my GPS receivers say, "we're done," too many times. I have  

even had primary and backup GPS do it at the same time. I found the  

chart, situational awareness, and an ADF to be very comforting.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Sorry folks, think I'm going to pass on the weaponry.  If I get  

 into that

 kind of situation I've got bigger problems.


	


When you need one, nothing else will do. Look at it this way, it is  

good for signaling as well as bringing down small game.

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Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:07 am Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

And protecting one's self from 4 legged and 2 legged predators. A stick will

not get it with a pack of wild dogs. A few well placed rounds in the Alpha

male and even female will deter the pack for a while. 

Doc



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

Absolutely.  If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over

every other weapon to carry on a cross country.  No question.  I would

be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though.  I feel kind

of naked without it.  In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the same as

yours Doc!     



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

THAT'S RIGHT!  



I wondered if ANYONE would catch that one!  Good on you!   



Mark

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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

Weapons can be a pain in the tail to bring along, especially if you

don't have a concealed carry permit.  I will tell you this... The folks

that live in the country you are about to fly over (past and present)

would not consider venturing past their fence posts without carrying at

the very least a side arm. However, if you are untrained and

uncomfortalbe with fire-arms in general, then you are right about not

carrying one.  In that case, I'd recommend that you carry TWO SARSATS.

That way you stand a more than reasonsable chance of relying on society

to protect you from bad things. 



You don't need a regulator on the Scuba pony tank.  Or even a full sized

one.  You just open the valve slowly and look at your cockpit gage.

When it gets near 50 atmos, close the valve.  It's a no-brainer.  



Good luck... When I took the same trip, it gave me wonderful memories

for years.  You'll have a ball.  

 



Mark

 





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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: Yak'in Cross Country

Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models.  I have a few.  I think you'd love them.  



Mark Bitterlich

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