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darrellhaas(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: riveter nosepiece

Thank you all for the information on the nosepiece.

Darrell

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: riveter nosepiece

I'm just starting when the rudder kit arrives.   Inquired with ZA regarding their nosepieces.  Ms. Swearingen replied that they offer their custom machined heads for the A4, A5s for $11.90 each.   What advantage do their nosepieces have over the ones I got from Harbor Freight insofar as strength and aerodynamic qualities on the construction?   Noted that several of the group are simply ordering replacements from Harbor for about $12.00 (for the 3 nosepieces?).  Appreciate your comments AND this really helpful site.

 

 Cordially,   John Reinking, Woodinville, WA

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: riveter nosepiece

Hi John,



 As you guessed, you are doing a little comparison of apples to oranges.



 The Zenith nose pieces have been reshaped to form a dome top on the rivets supplied in the kit.  This is necessary to build your plane.  You cannot use the Harbor Freight, or any other rivet setter nose piece, until you have ground the hollow shape needed.  You can do this yourself or get someone like ZAC to do it for you.



 The other issue is whether the reshaped nose pieces will fit your riveter.  If you buy the ones from ZAC they definitely will not fit the Harbor Freight riveter (well, they might fit one or the other of the Harbor Freight riveters but certainly not both).  The ones you can order from ZAC probably fit the riveter they sell.



 It isn't very difficult to grind the shape needed into the nose pieces if you are oriented toward that sort of work.  I have made several of them both from scratch and by grinding the nose pieces that come with various riveters.  The trick is to get the final rivet produced to just fit the application without leaving the edges hanging in the air or having grooves pressed into them.  



 You can send your nose pieces to ZAC for grinding or perhaps do it yourself.  If you are so inclined, I recommend you get a couple of the lower priced Harbor Freight pneumatic riveters and install an A4 sized nose piece in one and A5 size in the other one.  You can get the riveters on sale around $25 each and this will save you from constantly changing the nose pieces.  Also, the list members all seem to agree that the Harbor freight riveter is the best one available.



 Good luck,



 Paul

 XL fuselage



 

 At 09:45 AM 11/13/2007, you wrote:

 [quote] I'm just starting when the rudder kit arrives.   Inquired with ZA regarding their nosepieces.  Ms. Swearingen replied that they offer their custom machined heads for the A4, A5s for $11.90 each.   What advantage do their nosepieces have over the ones I got from Harbor Freight insofar as strength and aerodynamic qualities on the construction?   Noted that several of the group are simply ordering replacements from Harbor for about $12.00 (for the 3 nosepieces?).  Appreciate your comments AND this really helpful site.



 Cordially,   John Reinking, Woodinville, WA[b]

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Terry Phillips

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: riveter nosepiece

John



 The advantage of the HF nosepieces is that they will fit the HF riveter. I presume that Zenith nosepieces fit the riveter they sell. So, if you have a HF riveter, you'd best use their nosepieces. 



 However, the nosepieces must be machined to form the flathead rivets into ZAC's required dome shape. You can either send HF nosepieces (or those from any other riveter) to ZAC to be machined for $8/ea (<1 week turnaround), or you can machine them yourselves. If you search the archives, you can probably find some info on doing your own machining. You only need to machine the A4 and A5 nosepieces.



 Terry



 At 09:45 AM 11/13/2007 -0800, you wrote:

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		   I'm just starting when the rudder kit arrives.   Inquired with ZA regarding their nosepieces.  Ms. Swearingen replied that they offer their custom machined heads for the A4, A5s for $11.90 each.   What advantage do their nosepieces have over the ones I got from Harbor Freight insofar as strength and aerodynamic qualities on the construction?   Noted that several of the group are simply ordering replacements from Harbor for about $12.00 (for the 3 nosepieces?).  Appreciate your comments AND this really helpful site.



 Cordially,   John Reinking, Woodinville, WA 	
 

 

 Terry Phillips

 ttp44~at~rkymtn.net

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 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab

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n4546v(at)mindspring.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: riveter nosepiece

From the archives:  do not  archive

  

 The Dremel works fine and fast, use a small green round ball  (silicon

carbide) or any other stone that has a point or round end, Put the  riviet

gun head in the lathe chuck and while spinning it, fire off the  moto-tool,

hold it with both hands braced against whatever is nearby, and  shape the end

in a nice conical shape, starting from the hole in the center  and working

outward, keep the cone  shallow, you can always go deeper.  No gottem lathe?

Sure  you do, put your fastest turning pistol grip drill motor in your

workbench  vise, usually upside down with pistol grip up, (up is towards the

sky for you  airplane builders!) tighten vise enough to hold drill case, not

crushing it  where the armature will never turn again!  Place the rivet head

in the  drill chuck and lock the trigger back and grind away.  Takes longer

to  describe than to do, finish with emery cloth if your stones grind  course.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Randy, Las Vegas



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From: BRIAN HOPE  

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 9:43  AM

Subject: rivet gun  mods



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 I have scoured  the archives but can't find anything about modifying rivet

 gun heads,  though I seem to recall reading that a certain Dremel cutter

 would do a  satisfactory job.

 Has anybody carried out the mods themselves and if so  could they offer

some
	


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		   advice.

 Many thanks Brian Hope. Scratch  building a 601 in lil'ol England, home of

 the $5 per gallon Avgas  !


	


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John



The advantage of the HF nosepieces is that they    will fit the HF riveter. I presume that Zenith nosepieces fit the riveter they    sell. So, if you have a HF riveter, you'd best use their nosepieces.    



However, the nosepieces must be machined to form the flathead rivets    into ZAC's required dome shape. You can either send HF nosepieces (or those    from any other riveter) to ZAC to be machined for $8/ea (<1 week    turnaround), or you can machine them yourselves. If you search the archives,    you can probably find some info on doing your own machining. You only need to    machine the A4 and A5  nosepieces.



Terry



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shilcom

Joined: 28 Sep 2007
Posts: 63

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: riveter nosepiece

In my opinion this kind of advice in general can be  disasterous to aircraft.  Well maybe not every time, but Zenith requires a  certain radius to properly seat the rivets to conform to the testing they have  done on the aircraft.  Grinding to "just any conical shape" migh NOT be so  good.  I bought mine from ZAC.  If for no other reason the price is  fair and done by American Craftsman.  bob U. 

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: riveter nosepiece

Hello Bob:     do not  archive

  

 From your post: 

  

 "Zenith requires a certain radius"

  

 Could you please furnish a link or  reference to a Zenith source or drawing where this radius is  specified?

  

 I don't mind anyone not agreeing with my point of  view, but if you're going to quote my posts, please quote  accurately.

  

 My message does not contain the phrase: "just any  conical shape".

  

 My Zenith construction manual shows a  drawing depicting a conical nosepiece with no radius or depth of  radius specified, with only a notation directed at the still flat edges of the  nosepiece: "should not damage parts!".

  

 Best Regards,

  

 Randy, Las Vegas

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