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mike.sinclair(at)ATT.NET
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:20 am    Post subject: Application for Airworthiness Certificate Reply with quote
Hi Guys

Maybe some of you have been in this situation before, and if so I could use a little guidance. As a part of the latest rebuild I have changed engines from a 912UL to a 912ULS. Per the operating limitations sec. 19, and per the letter of concurence I got yesterday from our local Aviation Safety Inspector (Airworthiness) I have to fill out a revised Form 8130-6 (application for airworthiness certificate). I have a couple of questions.

1. Section IV of form 8130-6 (Inspection Agency Verification) says to complete only if 14 CFR part 21.183(d) applies. As best I can figure part 21.183(d) would not apply to this aircraft, but there is some doubt. ????

2. Section V (FAA Representative Certification). Does this engine change require a complete new DAR or FAA inspection?

Still have to do engine run ups, sync the carbs, set the idle, possible tweak prop pitch. And get the final paperwork out of the way, then I can get this bird back in the air. But as usual the most confusing part seems to be the paperwork. I will try to get ahold of our FAA guy tomorrow, but was hoping that I could get things a little clearer in my mind before I do. Thanks

Mike Sinclair N701TD

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n282rs(at)earthlink.net
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Application for Airworthiness Certificate Reply with quote
When I replaced my engine, I made the necessary changes to the 8130-6, and
wrote a letter explaining what I was doing. Since I was still in my testing
period and had more than 5 hours remaining, I told them that I didn't
intend to extend the flight testing beyond 40 hours unless they informed me
of a need to do so. I think I still had 20 hours or so to go. I don't
remember what I put on the 8130-6 exactly, but you can be sure that if it's
not right, they will send it back for corrections. I would suggest calling
your local FSDO or MIDO if you need guidance. One thing I wish I would have
done that I didn't do was to send the letter "return receipt". For along
time, I kept wondering if they got it. They probably won't require a new
inspection. I would recommend getting a tech counselor to check things out
before flying.

Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21

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From: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair(at)ATT.NET>
To: <zenith-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: 2/19/2006 1:24:56 PM
Subject: Application for Airworthiness Certificate



Hi Guys

Maybe some of you have been in this situation before, and if so I
could use a little guidance. As a part of the latest rebuild I have changed

engines from a 912UL to a 912ULS. Per the operating limitations sec. 19,
and per the letter of concurence I got yesterday from our local Aviation
Safety Inspector (Airworthiness) I have to fill out a revised Form 8130-6
(application for airworthiness certificate). I have a couple of questions.
Quote:

1. Section IV of form 8130-6 (Inspection Agency Verification) says to
complete only if 14 CFR part 21.183(d) applies. As best I can figure part

21.183(d) would not apply to this aircraft, but there is some doubt. ????
Quote:

2. Section V (FAA Representative Certification). Does this engine change
require a complete new DAR or FAA inspection?

Quote:

Still have to do engine run ups, sync the carbs, set the idle, possible
tweak prop pitch. And get the final paperwork out of the way, then I can

get this bird back in the air. But as usual the most confusing part seems
to be the paperwork. I will try to get ahold of our FAA guy tomorrow, but
was hoping that I could get things a little clearer in my mind before I do.
Thanks
Quote:

Mike Sinclair N701TD






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mike.sinclair(at)ATT.NET
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Application for Airworthiness Certificate Reply with quote
Just a little update on the confusion as to whether a revised 3180-6 was needed
with my engine change, just in case any of you find yourselves in this
situation one of these days. I have been on the phone a couple of times today
with our local FSDO Aviation Safety Inspector (Airworthiness) and the decision
was made that a revised 3180-6 wasn't need in this instance. Where the
confusion begins is with the line in sec. 19 of my operating limitations that
states "If the major change includes installing a different make and model of
engine or propeller". Our airworthiness inspector says the current version of
the operating limitations has changed the words "make and model" to "type".
Such as reciprocating to turbine, or fixed pitch to inflight adjustable, or
constant speed, then a new 3180-6 will need to be submitted. He did call
Oklahoma City and evidently this has been a bit of a gray area and the wording
was revised to clear it up a bit. He did say that my operating limitations are
still in effect as is and if I should ever have to go through this again, to
apply for a new set of limitations. But for now, and in case someone should
question this of me, I need to add an appropriate entry in the log book that
the decision that a revised 3180-6 is not needed, was made at the Wichita FSDO
and is on file there. So no new inspection either. Though if any of you should
have this same question in the future, I would double check with your local
FAA rep. before proceeding. Moving right along and should be back in phase I
real soon. I plan on first start of the new engine tomorrow.

Mike Sinclair N701TD

Randy Stout wrote:

Quote:
When I replaced my engine, I made the necessary changes to the 8130-6, and
wrote a letter explaining what I was doing. Since I was still in my testing
period and had more than 5 hours remaining, I told them that I didn't
intend to extend the flight testing beyond 40 hours unless they informed me
of a need to do so. I think I still had 20 hours or so to go. I don't
remember what I put on the 8130-6 exactly, but you can be sure that if it's
not right, they will send it back for corrections. I would suggest calling
your local FSDO or MIDO if you need guidance. One thing I wish I would have
done that I didn't do was to send the letter "return receipt". For along
time, I kept wondering if they got it. They probably won't require a new
inspection. I would recommend getting a tech counselor to check things out
before flying.

Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21

>
>
>
> Hi Guys
>
> Maybe some of you have been in this situation before, and if so I
could use a little guidance. As a part of the latest rebuild I have changed
engines from a 912UL to a 912ULS. Per the operating limitations sec. 19,
and per the letter of concurence I got yesterday from our local Aviation
Safety Inspector (Airworthiness) I have to fill out a revised Form 8130-6
(application for airworthiness certificate). I have a couple of questions.
>
> 1. Section IV of form 8130-6 (Inspection Agency Verification) says to
complete only if 14 CFR part 21.183(d) applies. As best I can figure part
21.183(d) would not apply to this aircraft, but there is some doubt. ????
>
> 2. Section V (FAA Representative Certification). Does this engine change
require a complete new DAR or FAA inspection?

> Mike Sinclair N701TD


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nyterminat(at)aol.com
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:20 pm    Post subject: Application for Airworthiness Certificate Reply with quote
Way to go Mike. I hope that you will be in the air soon. The exact thing that you described was told to me by my DAR when he inspected my plane.

Bob Spudis

N701ZX 90-100 degrees here in Ghana

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