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pperal(at)bsab.com
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Hello to all, I am new in the list, finishing of build a 601HD in Madrid Spain and I would like to install a engine Subaru of RamEngines of 115CV of electronic injection, it would be the first one that works in Spain and I would like to know that opinion has of this engine: if there are many working, that yield has in these airplanes, how much it consumes, if it gives heating problems, in short all that you can tell me of this engine it will be of great help, it is very chancy to choose a engine without references of its operation.
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Antonio Beneytez 601HD 90% painting and engine
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j.e.tiethoff(at)hccnet.nl
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:18 am Post subject: Subaru RAM 115CV for 601HD |
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Hello Antonio, why should you consider installing a automotive engine ? A 601 flies perferct with a Lycoming, Jabiro or Rotax. They are built for the purpose of flying. Corvair,VW or Subaru are not workhorses for aircraft, but for cars. They are NOT designed for quick air density changes, temperature changes, power settings etc. Please consider a dedicated engine for flying purposes. Good luck !
Van: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens Antonio bm
Verzonden: zondag 23 december 2007 21:22
Aan: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Onderwerp: Subaru RAM 115CV for 601HD
Hello to all, I am new in the list, finishing of build a 601HD in Madrid Spain and I would like to install a engine Subaru of RamEngines of 115CV of electronic injection, it would be the first one that works in Spain and I would like to know that opinion has of this engine: if there are many working, that yield has in these airplanes, how much it consumes, if it gives heating problems, in short all that you can tell me of this engine it will be of great help, it is very chancy to choose a engine without references of its operation.
Regards
Antonio Beneytez 601HD 90% painting and engine
pperal(at)bsab.com (pperal(at)bsab.com)
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: Subaru RAM 115CV for 601HD |
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Erik,
I agree with that you think, but my main problem is economic, my budget it is of about 6.000 Euros and for that price there is not anything aeronautical, alone in second hand and I don't find Rotax in the market of second hand. It also intervenes the consumption, Jabiru and Lycoming they consume more than 20 l/h and the modern engines of cars type injection enough proven are and they are more efficient engines as for the consumption. The engines of direct traction don't have a good yield for that it is necessary to install a propeler of little diameter and those that give many CV to few revolutions the consumption are high, keep in mind that the gasoline in Europe is much more expensive that in USA.
Antonio Beneytez 601HD 90% painting and engine
pperal(at)bsab.com (pperal(at)bsab.com)
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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:08 am Post subject: Subaru RAM 115CV for 601HD |
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Antonio,
You probably already knew that the Subaru was originally designed to be
an aircraft engine. Excellent choice. You'll find the engine is well
built, will deliver great mileage consuming low 3.5 to 4.0 gph and
deliver well over 100 hp. Water cooling is going to make the plane
quieter than any of the air cooled variety. Parts are very
reasonable and accessible. You won't have to look for ancient parts or
pay gold plated prices for repairs either. I've been flying a Stratus
Subaru for 3 years now and
it's a great engine. Burns 100LL or 87-octane car gas and likes it. If
you need more information on making the Subaru a reliable conversion, my
website covers just about all you need to see in cooling, ignition and
fuel systems. Ram's Subaru conversion is a great engine and Stratus
also has been a good conversion for a lot of people.
If you wish to have more information, just send me an email and I'll
provide you with additional specifics as needed.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Antonio bm wrote:
| Quote: | Hello to all, I am new in the list, finishing of build a 601HD in
Madrid Spain and I would like to install a engine Subaru of RamEngines
of 115CV of electronic injection, it would be the first one that works
in Spain and I would like to know that opinion has of this engine: if
there are many working, that yield has in these airplanes, how much it
consumes, if it gives heating problems, in short all that you can tell
me of this engine it will be of great help, it is very chancy to
choose a engine without references of its operation.
Regards
Antonio Beneytez 601HD 90% painting and engine
pperal(at)bsab.com <mailto:pperal(at)bsab.com>
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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: Subaru RAM 115CV for 601HD |
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Antonio,
Eric has never seen the Subaru powered aircraft in action or probably
not flown one. The Subaru is easier to start, and Bing carburetors are
altitude compensating to provide the correct mixture as you climb.
Temperature changes are not a worry because the engine operates at a CHT
of around 220, oil is 230 and water is 180 to 205. EGTs are
kept to 1350 to 1425. There is no shock cooling as found in a air
cooled engine. The Subaru will outlast an air cooled engine because it's
built more robust at the crank and bearings. When disassembling a Subaru
after 250K miles, you'll often see the spiral grooving in the cylinders
is still very pronounced and able to hold onto oil. An overhaul on my
Stratus will cost approximately $600.00 in parts. All else considered,
I think the Subaru has more going for it than any of the conventional
engines.
Just my .02 cents. See link,
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/601ezclosefrtrt.gif
Larry McFarland Stratus Subaru powered 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Antonio bm wrote:
[quote] Erik,
I agree with that you think, but my main problem is economic, my
budget it is of about 6.000 Euros and for that price there is not
anything aeronautical, alone in second hand and I don't find Rotax in
the market of second hand. It also intervenes the consumption, Jabiru
and Lycoming they consume more than 20 l/h and the modern engines of
cars type injection enough proven are and they are more efficient
engines as for the consumption. The engines of direct traction don't
have a good yield for that it is necessary to install a propeler of
little diameter and those that give many CV to few revolutions the
consumption are high, keep in mind that the gasoline in Europe is much
more expensive that in USA.
Antonio Beneytez 601HD 90% painting and engine
pperal(at)bsab.com <mailto:pperal(at)bsab.com>
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rsteele(at)rjsit.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: Subaru RAM 115CV for 601HD |
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Larry, I'm interested in the origin of the EA81. I've searched
online and couldn't find anything. Do you have links or official
info? I think this info would help reassure some people that might
think I'm a bit touched for putting a car engine in an airplane. Of
course they'll still think I'm nuts for building a plane in the first
place.
Ron
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Antonio,
You probably already knew that the Subaru was originally designed
to be an aircraft engine. Excellent choice. You'll find the engine
is well built, will deliver great mileage consuming low 3.5 to 4.0
gph and deliver well over 100 hp. Water cooling is going to make
the plane quieter than any of the air cooled variety. Parts are very
reasonable and accessible. You won't have to look for ancient
parts or pay gold plated prices for repairs either. I've been
flying a Stratus Subaru for 3 years now and
it's a great engine. Burns 100LL or 87-octane car gas and likes
it. If you need more information on making the Subaru a reliable
conversion, my website covers just about all you need to see in
cooling, ignition and fuel systems. Ram's Subaru conversion is a
great engine and Stratus also has been a good conversion for a lot
of people.
If you wish to have more information, just send me an email and
I'll provide you with additional specifics as needed.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Antonio bm wrote:
> Hello to all, I am new in the list, finishing of build a 601HD in
> Madrid Spain and I would like to install a engine Subaru of
> RamEngines of 115CV of electronic injection, it would be the first
> one that works in Spain and I would like to know that opinion has
> of this engine: if there are many working, that yield has in these
> airplanes, how much it consumes, if it gives heating problems, in
> short all that you can tell me of this engine it will be of great
> help, it is very chancy to choose a engine without references of
> its operation. Regards
> Antonio Beneytez 601HD 90% painting and engine
> pperal(at)bsab.com <mailto:pperal(at)bsab.com>
>
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: Subaru RAM 115CV for 601HD |
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Antonio,The only thing that is Subaru on a RAM engine is the block if you buy a RAM you will have a custom built engine with custom part and andcustom engine work all through the engine the in take is tuned to the heads, that haved been flowed and ballanced heads have duel intake ports ,exhast is custom built to you engine that will be dynoed and tuned .I know that you know where his web is and I can tell you to look and see what is there, and what you see is what you will get. Subaru Car engine ? I dont think so! not even close... GPH 3 1/2 to 4 engine weight 189 my rate of climb was tested and was 1800 FPM(at) 140 mph I've got the 130 HP. All you really need is 100 HP. injected/ with his re drive and a primce p-tip prop and you have as good as it gets. I am going to de tune mine to 100HP ,so I can fit into lite sport and then if I decide to sell it , a pilot can turn it back up and haul ass.. Hope I've helped some, let me know .....Merry Xmas. Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: Subaru RAM 115CV for 601HD |
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Hallo again,
I flew a Rans Coyote with the Subaru. All the rest of the points that Larry
mentioned are correct of course, but are also valid for eg the Rotax.
If Larry is right why wouldn't everybody fly with Subaru ? The only valid
argument is the money. They are not my .02 cents. Forget your next holliday
en invest it in a real aircraft engine, I should say. Happy landings !
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Van: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens LarryMcFarland
Verzonden: maandag 24 december 2007 19:19
Aan: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Subaru RAM 115CV for 601HD
Antonio,
Eric has never seen the Subaru powered aircraft in action or probably
not flown one. The Subaru is easier to start, and Bing carburetors are
altitude compensating to provide the correct mixture as you climb.
Temperature changes are not a worry because the engine operates at a CHT
of around 220, oil is 230 and water is 180 to 205. EGTs are
kept to 1350 to 1425. There is no shock cooling as found in a air
cooled engine. The Subaru will outlast an air cooled engine because it's
built more robust at the crank and bearings. When disassembling a Subaru
after 250K miles, you'll often see the spiral grooving in the cylinders
is still very pronounced and able to hold onto oil. An overhaul on my
Stratus will cost approximately $600.00 in parts. All else considered,
I think the Subaru has more going for it than any of the conventional
engines.
Just my .02 cents. See link,
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/601ezclosefrtrt.gif
Larry McFarland Stratus Subaru powered 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Antonio bm wrote:
[quote] Erik,
I agree with that you think, but my main problem is economic, my
budget it is of about 6.000 Euros and for that price there is not
anything aeronautical, alone in second hand and I don't find Rotax in
the market of second hand. It also intervenes the consumption, Jabiru
and Lycoming they consume more than 20 l/h and the modern engines of
cars type injection enough proven are and they are more efficient
engines as for the consumption. The engines of direct traction don't
have a good yield for that it is necessary to install a propeler of
little diameter and those that give many CV to few revolutions the
consumption are high, keep in mind that the gasoline in Europe is much
more expensive that in USA.
Antonio Beneytez 601HD 90% painting and engine
pperal(at)bsab.com <mailto:pperal(at)bsab.com>
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