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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

I am having a difficult time rivetting in this area. On the rear spar where the flap bracket is, rivetting the skin in this area is difficult because there is not much room between the rivet and the flap extension arm. I seem to not have an appropriate fitting for the rivet gun for this area. The standard gun fittings are too wide and require the gun handle to be angled back toward the flap bracket and the bracket will not allow this to happen. When I tried to drive the rivit it didn't sit flush. Drilling it out was a task in itself.

  

 Any suggestions, what am I missing.

  

 Thanks,

  

 JOhn G.

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Deems Davis

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

I can recall clearly the frustration at that same point. I wish I could 

recall as clearly what I did about it. As near as I can recall, I didn't 

find any magic bullet, but ended up using a flush rivet set and trying 

to keep it  as close to flat as possible even though it necessarily 

needed to be a little offset. I just went out and checked, and sure 

enough I've got a couple of 'dings' in this area. Thanks heavens for filler!

Deems Davis # 406

'Its all done....Its just not put together'

http://deemsrv10.com/

John Gonzalez wrote:

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		   I am having a difficult time rivetting in this area. On the rear spar 

 where the flap bracket is, rivetting the skin in this area is 

 difficult because there is not much room between the rivet and the 

 flap extension arm. I seem to not have an appropriate fitting for the 

 rivet gun for this area. The standard gun fittings are too wide and 

 require the gun handle to be angled back toward the flap bracket and 

 the bracket will not allow this to happen. When I tried to drive the 

 rivit it didn't sit flush. Drilling it out was a task in itself.

  

 Any suggestions, what am I missing.

  

 Thanks,

  

 JOhn G.

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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

I even tried a back rivet set on the manufactured head, but I had to use my huge, long offset and that dam thing never worked with my #2 rivet gun. Still don't have any dings but I need to find a way. Tried to hit with the gun on a bucking bar on the outside while bucking on the inside...didn't work. 

 They had perfectly set rivets on the inboard skin, inboard flap extention area on these QB wings. How did those Philipino workers do it?????

 Thanks, Deems

 JOhn

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		   Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:02:27 -0700

 From: deemsdavis(at)cox.net

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>

 I can recall clearly the frustration at that same point. I wish I could 

 recall as clearly what I did about it. As near as I can recall, I didn't 

 find any magic bullet, but ended up using a flush rivet set and trying 

 to keep it as close to flat as possible even though it necessarily 

 needed to be a little offset. I just went out and checked, and sure 

 enough I've got a couple of 'dings' in this area. Thanks heavens for filler!

 Deems Davis # 406

 'Its all done....Its just not put together'

 http://deemsrv10.com/

 John Gonzalez wrote:

 > I am having a difficult time rivetting in this area. On the rear spar 

 > where the flap bracket is, rivetting the skin in this area is 

 > difficult because there is not much room between the rivet and the 

 > flap extension arm. I seem to not have an appropriate fitting for the 

 > rivet gun for this area. The standard gun fittings are too wide and 

 > require the gun handle to be angled back toward the flap bracket and 

 > the bracket will not allow this to happen. When I tried to drive the 

 > rivit it didn't sit flush. Drilling it out was a task in itself.

 > 

 > Any suggestions, what am I missing.

 > 

 > Thanks,

 > 

 > JOhn G.

 > *

 >

 >

 > ===

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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

Seems I need a long flush set for the gun.

  

 JOhn



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		   Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:02:27 -0700

 From: deemsdavis(at)cox.net

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>

 

 I can recall clearly the frustration at that same point. I wish I could 

 recall as clearly what I did about it. As near as I can recall, I didn't 

 find any magic bullet, but ended up using a flush rivet set and trying 

 to keep it as close to flat as possible even though it necessarily 

 needed to be a little offset. I just went out and checked, and sure 

 enough I've got a couple of 'dings' in this area. Thanks heavens for filler!

 

 

 Deems Davis # 406

 'Its all done....Its just not put together'

 http://deemsrv10.com/

 

 

 John Gonzalez wrote:

 > I am having a difficult time rivetting in this area. On the rear spar 

 > where the flap bracket is, rivetting the skin in this area is 

 > difficult because there is not much room between the rivet and the 

 > flap extension arm. I seem to not have an appropriate fitting for the 

 > rivet gun for this area. The standard gun fittings are too wide and 

 > require the gun handle to be angled back toward the flap bracket and 

 > the bracket will not allow this to happen. When I tried to drive the 

 > rivit it didn't sit flush. Drilling it out was a task in itself.

 > 

 > Any suggestions, what am I missing.

 > 

 > Thanks,

 > 

 > JOhn G.

 > *

 >

 >

 > ===

 

 

 


	


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rv10(at)sinkrate.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

If you are referring to the rivets holding on the bottom skin right next to the flap attach arms (I think there are 4 on each side) I used a long backrivet set with the collar removed.  Do make sure the face is polished very smooth or it will mar up the skin pretty good.  Be sure to be perfectly perpendicular too as the edges have no bevel or curve in them.  Turn up the air pressure cause the long set absorbs a lot of impact.  

   

I actually made my own backrivet set out of a 12” long cupped set that I got on ebay (see pictures attached).  It came with a gaggle of sets and bars that were for a rivet sizes I’d never heard of.  I cut the end off flush and polished the thing up real good.  At home depot I found a pvc fitting that fit it like a glove and cut it up to work like a standard backrivet set.  The spring that came with the avery c-frame seems to work pretty good holding pressure on the pvc fitting.  

   

-Ben Westfall  

#40579 (N109LB just reserved – 10th of September is our wedding anniversary – Lene & Ben)  

PDX  

   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez

 Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:10 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.  

  

   

I am having a difficult time rivetting in this area. On the rear spar where the flap bracket is, rivetting the skin in this area is difficult because there is not much room between the rivet and the flap extension arm. I seem to not have an appropriate fitting for the rivet gun for this area. The standard gun fittings are too wide and require the gun handle to be angled back toward the flap bracket and the bracket will not allow this to happen. When I tried to drive the rivit it didn't sit flush. Drilling it out was a task in itself.

  

 Any suggestions, what am I missing.

  

 Thanks,

  

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rv10(at)sinkrate.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

If I didn’t make it clear the backrivet set was used as a regular set on the manufactured head of the AN470 rivet and my wife bucked the shop head per usual.  

   

-Ben  

   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez

 Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:10 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.  

  

   

I am having a difficult time rivetting in this area. On the rear spar where the flap bracket is, rivetting the skin in this area is difficult because there is not much room between the rivet and the flap extension arm. I seem to not have an appropriate fitting for the rivet gun for this area. The standard gun fittings are too wide and require the gun handle to be angled back toward the flap bracket and the bracket will not allow this to happen. When I tried to drive the rivit it didn't sit flush. Drilling it out was a task in itself.

  

 Any suggestions, what am I missing.

  

 Thanks,

  

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

Uh, that should be AN426 right?

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Fax: 815-377-3694



 



On Dec 8, 2007, at 1:18 AM, Ben Westfall wrote:

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		  If I didn’t make it clear the backrivet set was used as a regular set on the manufactured head of the AN470 rivet and my wife bucked the shop head per usual.

 

-Ben

 

 



From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez

Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:10 PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.



 

I am having a difficult time rivetting in this area. On the rear spar where the flap bracket is, rivetting the skin in this area is difficult because there is not much room between the rivet and the flap extension arm. I seem to not have an appropriate fitting for the rivet gun for this area. The standard gun fittings are too wide and require the gun handle to be angled back toward the flap bracket and the bracket will not allow this to happen. When I tried to drive the rivit it didn't sit flush. Drilling it out was a task in itself.

 

Any suggestions, what am I missing.

 

Thanks,

 

JOhn G.

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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

Ooops yes AN426.  Thanks Jesse  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint

 Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:35 PM

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Uh, that should be AN426 right?    

           

Jesse Saint  

    

Saint Aviation, Inc.  

    

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)  

    

Cell: 352-427-0285  

    

Fax: 815-377-3694  

  

  

    

       

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If I didn’t make it clear the backrivet set was used as a regular set on the manufactured head of the AN470 rivet and my wife bucked the shop head per usual.  

    

   

    

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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

Ben,

  

 Thank thanks for the tip.

  

 I noticed in the Avery catalog that they sell a rivet gun extension, 8" which a flush set can fit into. I plan on purchasing it and then I will also get another 3/4 diameter flush set and grind a flat spot onto one side so I can get the center of the set closer to the rivet head. Shouldn't need to take too much off the side of the set because the anatomy on the shaft might mar up the flap attachment bracket. 

  

 Obviously, I'll put some good pipe tap over the ground off edge and shaft.

  

 This should allow a good set of those rivets.

  

 JOhn G.

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To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Trouble with riveting on rear spar at flap bracket.

 

  

Uh, that should be AN426 right?  

     

Jesse Saint

  

Saint Aviation, Inc.

  

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

  

Cell: 352-427-0285

  

Fax: 815-377-3694

 

    

On Dec 8, 2007, at 1:18 AM, Ben Westfall wrote:

 

    

If I didn’t make it clear the backrivet set was used as a regular set on the manufactured head of the AN470 rivet and my wife bucked the shop head per usual.

  

 

  

-Ben

  

 

  

 

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